Episode 176:
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In this episode of Real Health and Weight Loss, Dr Mary Barson is joined by Barbara Pipkorn, a member of the Real Life Medicine Community, to share her inspiring journey to better health and weight loss. Barbara, a 59-year-old former registered nurse, struggled with weight gain since childhood and tried various diets, including extreme calorie restrictions and programs like Weight Watchers, without long-term success. After years of yo-yo dieting, she faced health issues like pre-diabetes, fatty liver enzymes, and joint pain. Determined to make a change, Barbara embraced the Real Life Medicine approach, which focuses on real food, low-carb living, and mindset transformation.

Barbara's journey began when she discovered the Real Life Medicine program after seeing a friend's success. Despite initial fears about giving up carbohydrates, Barbara committed to the 7 Day No Sugar Challenge and later the 12 week program. Initially, the transition was challenging, but she found solace in hypnosis sessions and actively participated in the Real Life Medicine community. Over time, Barbara's mindset shifted, and she embraced a low-carb lifestyle, prioritising protein and eliminating processed foods, seed oils, and sugar. Despite her initial struggles, she persevered, trusting the process and the guidance from the Real Life Medicine team.

Through her dedication and mindset transformation, Barbara not only lost a significant amount of weight but also experienced numerous health improvements. She managed to navigate challenging situations, such as travelling through countries with carb-heavy cuisines, by focusing on protein-rich options, practising intermittent fasting, and making mindful choices. Barbara's journey serves as an inspiration, demonstrating that with determination, education, and support, anyone can achieve lasting health and weight loss goals. Her story showcases the power of embracing real food, building a supportive community, and reshaping one's relationship with food for a healthier and happier life.

Just like Barbara, If you're looking for a positive change, join the 7 Day No Sugar Challenge to kickstart your journey to a healthier you: www.rlmedicine.com/nosugar

Episode 176: 


Dr Mary Barson (0:11) Hello, my lovely listeners. I'm Dr Mary Barson.

Dr Lucy Barson (0:15) And I'm Dr Lucy Burns. Welcome to this episode of

Both (0:20) Real Health and Weight Loss!

Dr Mary Barson (0:23) Hello, lovely listeners, Dr. Mary here for today's podcast. I'm very excited and feeling very grateful and very humbled to be joined by a wonderful member of our Real Life Medicine Community, the fabulous Barb. Barb, I would love for you to share with our fabulous listeners a bit about you, a bit about how you came to Real Life Medicine, and what your journey has been like, because you've got a fabulous story to tell, particularly about some stuff you've been up to recently. So tell us about your beautiful self.

Barbara Pipkorn  (1:01)  Um, thank you, Mary for the invitation. I am a 59-year old. My career was registered nursing, worked for 35 years at the children's hospital and did a little bit of general practice. And I have been a lifelong dieter. I've been overweight since I was probably eight years old, I started to put on weight. And it became very clear that by the time I was a young tween, eleven, I was starting to get really hairy. And obviously, that was very distressing. And I just got bigger and bigger. In my early 20s, I was diagnosed with polycystic ovarian syndrome by a lovely endocrinologist. And unfortunately, back then we didn't know what we know now. So I've done lots of diets and restricted myself to 600 calories a day, under the direction of a doctor. I've been to Weight Watchers, and I've always eaten real food I've had, as a nurse, I had a desire to eat wholesome food. And to cook from scratch. I like cooking. So I wasn't hugely into takeaway food, or binge eating. But I couldn't maintain weight loss. And every time I stopped eating what I will call rabbit food, I would just put back more weight on than I had originally started. And so actually from my, quite happy to share this, like 15 years ago, my brother died from heart disease. And I had some orthopedic issues with my feet. And I couldn't exercise and dance as much as I had been. So I started to gain weight very quickly. And so I actually with a BMI that was borderline had a gastric band inserted, which was a tool. In hindsight, I suspect that because I was so mindful of my eating and eating and prioritising protein eating then I actually probably had some sort of ketosis, unbeknownst to me. And I did lose a significant amount of weight probably to where I am now. And then I got married. And it wasn't that marriage made me happy or anything. It just meant that suddenly, food became a priority again, because my husband is a type one diabetic. And so I had to start preparing meals. So with that comes the social eating, and I started eating what is relatively normal, but not volume, because of course I still have a restriction whether I like it or not. But I obviously had carbs with every meal that I ate. And I was probably eating two to three meals a day. Never hadn't been eating since my early, like the mid-20s. I stopped eating breakfast because I knew that that made me hungry. And if I was hungry early in the morning, I would eat up to five meals a day. So I stopped that because that was a way of me restricting calories, I guess. So I would start eating at about 11 o'clock. Yeah, so then fast forward to Anzac Day around that time significant because I had a lot of Anzac biscuits. And a friend had posted on your Real Life Medicine page that she had lost 20 kilos with following the program over the last year. And so she was just putting it out there for people to have a look that coincided with me having some blood tests at my HPA one so he was pre-diabetic and I had fatty liver enzymes in my liver function tests, which was not where I wanted to be. So I started exploring, I started reading I did the 7 Day No Sugar Challenge. I actually found a diary two days ago. And you may even remember me asking at various stages. I was terrified, I was anxious. I was scared that I'd never eat carbs again. And I was really scared that I would lose weight, and then I would put on more than I had ever had before. But I did the seven days then I did the 12. For seven days to the 12 weeks. Yeah, seven days I did the 12 week program.

Dr Mary Barson (5:45)  Yes now you're one of our beautiful Momentum members. We love having you in Momentum.

Barbara Pipkorn  (5:51)  I am the first four weeks we'll probably hard a really hard, you know, the diary reflects that. And as my woodshed opened, as we talked about, suddenly, I wasn't hungry. And I became a nice person, not my husband suffered shockingly. But yeah, it was it is really hard to give up easily made ready to grab off the shelf, biscuits and bread that I've done it and now, I guess we're 20-something weeks down the tracks, 26 weeks, or something that doesn't worry me like I prepare that stuff for my grandchildren all the time, carbs for my husband all the time, and I don't, I don't want it.

Dr Mary Barson (6:37)  That's amazing. You've done so well.

Barbara Pipkorn  (6:42) Yeah, it is in my blood tests and the proof in the pudding. So I know we don't really celebrate weight goals. But for me, I could well I can say I've lost 20% of my body weight. At the time, it was amazing. And that didn't happen straight away, I would really like to impress upon people that the first four or five weeks were hard yakka. In fact, I put on a little bit of weight in the first week. And it wasn't until about the fifth week that I lost. But when I did lose, I actually lost a significant amount. I had to use every tool I possibly had for mindset during that time to trust what you people were telling me, trust the process and just keep going and was well worth it.

Dr Mary Barson (7:35)  I think it's totally okay to celebrate weight loss goals too, by the way, just we're all about losing weight healthily. And you know, not just crash dieting or cutting off a leg to lose weight. You're a star you've just done so well. I got a little like chills hearing your story because it's just so similar to my story of gaining weight around about eight years old getting those symptoms of pay costs in your adolescence, the hairiness and then the yo-yo dieting throughout my adult life. Oh my lord, that was me too, but no longer said that you needed to use all your mindset skills to make the changes the real food changes fit into your life. Could you tell me a bit more about those mindset skills? Were they ones that we taught you once that you already had a combination of both? How did you have that transformation?

Barbara Pipkorn  (8:30)  Oh, yeah, it was a hard time for me because I actually had a very big knee injury in January. So I was actually laid up like I wasn't able to do much physical stuff other than in the pool because I couldn't walk so much without tears. So I just listen to the hypnosis and I listen to the podcasts.

Dr Mary Barson (8:52) So you found the hypnosis, a really important part of your mindset management and for our fabulous listeners out there. Dr Lucy and I are both qualified medical hypnotherapists and we use a lot of hypnotherapy, and guided hypnotherapy in our programs, including the 7 Day Sugar Free Reset, which is coming up and of course, including our beautiful Momentum Inner Circle, we use a lot of hypnosis both live in the coaching calls and also these recorded hypnoses and they are such a powerful and safe way to really supercharge that mindset change that is so important for the long term change that you Barb have experienced.

Barbara Pipkorn  (9:39)  I listened to everything you did, I participated as much as I could in the sessions, the week two sessions and the Facebook page and interacted with the others who are going on the same journey and I mean, we're all on a different journey. Now, today stories are the same. We've all got different backgrounds and different reasons for being overweight or metabolically unwell. And so it's not one size fits all. But we can use all the tools that we have access to, to help us and I need to work more on listening more to hypnosis and, and doing the extra things that we get to do. I'm not fantastic at that I am. Despite it's ridiculous despite the fact that I can't work I'm, for some reason time poor. I don't know how that works. 

Dr Mary Barson (10:43)  No you've got people in your life that you've got things you do, people will look after, there's lots you do.

Barbara Pipkorn  (10:47)  Yeah. And I suppose what I'm doing is taking on the grandkids where historically while I was at work, my husband looked after them but I have taken that on. So he's now got more leisure time, and I have more baby time. But like I to do the hypnosis, especially at night times, and if I found that I slept better. So if I'm awake, listen to hypnosis. And you offer a lot of extra resources to research. So I actually do spend a lot of time reading the scientific information in the background, because that's my craft. And on the side, I live in a village in a lifestyle village. And there are a few friends here that have been very curious. And so we share a little bit about what I research and have a little group that we sit together and chat about carbs, and no carbs and sub that two of those ladies are doing keto for health reasons, one's part of your group and one's not. And they just both do it under a doctor's so we have a support group, 

Dr Mary Barson (12:02)  Ah that's lovely! That connection, it's so important that Yeah, it's like glad to call it vitamin connects like we really do need it. And you've found it. And it's one of the things with Momentum to Momentum membership. You've got your lovely community like it's online, but it's there, it's supportive.

Barbara Pipkorn  (12:22)  I'm careful how I say probably if you say you do keto, that conjures up some negative connotations for people. So I generally say that I have removed carbohydrates from my diet. Because I don't see my diet as unhealthy. The only thing that's missing from my plate is potatoes, pasta, rice and bread, biscuits, and the stuff that I wouldn't have eaten that I personally wouldn't have eaten before. So I wasn't a person who spent a lot of time buying pre-prepared bases for dinners I make my food from herbs and spices off the shelf. Yes. And then the herbs in the garden. So the food is amazing.

Dr Mary Barson (13:06)  Yeah, tell me, how do you feel about the food that you eat now?

Barbara Pipkorn  (13:09)  Well, I eat exactly the same as I ate before except I've cut out the carbs, the seed oils, anything that's got numbers in it. So the food additive numbers. If I had one, it would be very rare and not something that's so poor.

Dr Mary Barson (13:31)  You’ve come so far. Do tell me like I'd love to know a little bit more about like how you were feeling back when you were stuck in that diet land. You said you're on 600 calories a day diet under medical supervision, but that's extreme restriction and you did Weight Watchers and you're eating rabbit food. You could lose weight, but it just would bounce back again. I can relate to that.

Barbara Pipkorn¬† (13:57)¬† So during those times 600 calories, Weight Watchers, I was hungry all the time. In Weight Watchers, I would save points so I would eat it for breakfast with a piece of toast and I would eat the same things every day egg for breakfast with a piece of toast. I made minestrone soup, which was one point. I had minestrone every day. And I did this for probably a year. I wanted to get pregnant so I had to lose the weight. So minestrone soup and then we would have like dinner and it would be from one of the Weight Watchers books. When I was doing 600 calories I couldn't eat like that was I was in my 20s but I remember there being lots of lettuce, tomato, salads, beans, and fish, because fish you got more calories out of fish. I was hungry. I was starving. And I did stuff myself and unfortunately, I had a massive car accident on the way home from work. Not my fault and I was severely injured and obviously in hospital, and then I couldn't exercise. And I put on probably 20 kilos after that. It was just that creeping you go loose, gain or lose some, gain even more to the point where I'm, you know, I had probably had a BMI over 40 I don't really know, it was extremely high. And I couldn't move. I was getting restricted in movement and everything. So yeah, that's hard. Those diets are soul destroying, really, and, and then you think ‚Äď Well, what's wrong with me? And you'd look at other people who would go, they can eat all that, and they're relatively slim. But why can I? It‚Äôs just wasn't fair, this has provided me with the answers. And I'm now in an absolute mindset. Carbohydrates are just not for me. Like, I don't metabolise carbohydrates properly. As soon as I do have a sneaky carbohydrate, I get hungry. And when you get hungry, you start looking for things. And I don't want to feel that I don't feel hungry anymore. And I don't feel my tummy. Like, I had no awareness of my abdominal workings the whole way before I was bloated. And I had joint pain. My joint pains are gone on the whole, and my small joint pain and my nodules have all got like they're not really there anymore. Even noticed funny, I've had this little nodule thing in my mouth. For so long, the dentist has been watching it. And I realised that the dates were gone. And I'm like, ‚ÄĒ Oh, how did that happen?

Dr Mary Barson (17:01)  It's like the magic of real food. You just everything's healing. I love that.

Barbara Pipkorn  (17:05)  Yeah, when we say we're at real food, obviously, I didn't use olive oil. I use some olive oil that always had it. But I cooked in rice bran oil. So one thing we learned from you, and Lucy and the other doctors who promote this lifestyle is that seed oils are not good for us. So I've cut out all of those. I mean, obviously, you can't control that when you're in a restaurant. You've got to kind of not get anxious about that. Because you can't put it at home you can't. So I've done it at home. And that's why we eat real butter now not a mix. So I've made quite a few changes in the fridge from that end that I thought previously were healthy. So now I'm enlightened.

Dr Mary Barson (17:54)  Yes, you are enlightened and doing so well. How are you feeling kind of physically within yourself now?

Barbara Pipkorn  (18:00)  I feel good. I feel mostly energetic. I wake up in the morning with energy or sleep well, yeah, like I have energy. I never have no energy. Like yesterday. All right, yesterday, we went to Melbourne. Normally I would prepare boiled eggs to take with me and cheese because I don't want to go and eat in places where the cup where the protein if you come at Nick, but often the the amount of protein you get is very minimal. And so usually that meal after lunch is my first meal of the day. So I actually want it to be a decent amount of protein. I forgot it. I didn't have any food with me sitting on the kitchen bench. So the kids all had their food. We stopped in Williamstown on the way back, we went to a park and I just fed the kids and they ran around and I went, oh well. I'm not going to eat. So I didn't eat. And then eventually we got I ate a little bit of pork about three or four o'clock. And that was enough until we came home and we had dinner. It wasn't like I was losing revenue. So I've got to eat I've got to eat. Just doesn't happen. It's really fascinating. It doesn't happen. Yeah, it's amazing. How cool is that?

Dr Mary Barson (19:20)  It is so cool. It is so so cool that we can do these. It was hard yakka until about that week for five.

Barbara Pipkorn  (19:28)  Oh, yes, very much. So like my husband was eating his things. The way he was set up with his puppy would have to have supper. So he'd be eating bananas and custard and stuff like that. And I'd be like, every spoon that hit the bowl to rip his head off. Would you just leave?

Dr Mary Barson (19:53)  Oh, yes, that was where you were still healing your metabolism and opening your woodshed and becoming a fat burner. But then what was it like after that four to five weeks, when you did, when you became a fat burner, we're open to that woodshed,

Barbara Pipkorn  (20:07)  I just became focused. So I put pumpkin on my plate most nights if we have it, but often I don't eat it. And it's a strategy I use, if it's there, it's not like I can't have it, and why No, like it's an orange food. But sometimes I might just have like half a teaspoon of it. And that's enough. But I always try to prioritise my protein. So generally, I eat whatever meat first with a little bit of vegetables, but not all of the vegetables. So that my protein is, you know, the majority of the food in that initial stage is protein. And then I actually start to feel full fairly quickly. Some days are finish my meal, and sometimes I don't, I probably eat mindfully and listen to my body, and the feedback that I'm getting from it. So you can get a bit caught up, going, make sure you eat enough protein. I feel like you need to make sure you don't make yourself feel overfilled and uncomfortable. And I mean, I do again, and honesty, I do drink a little bit of protein powder in the form of the tasteless collagen one each day because I have the band

Dr Mary Barson (21:25)  What if you've had a gastric band, I actually think that's a really sensible thing to do. That's something that we talk about. Yeah, absolutely.

Barbara Pipkorn  (21:32)  So I try to keep my proteins up in the range where they're supposed to be. Again, that's because I'm 60 postmenopausal muscle is so important for me to keep, because I don't want my muscle wasting away. No, it's so important. I do that, to make sure that, you know when I'm doing my strengths, my rehab I try and build muscle with protein. But yeah, that like obviously, depends on how much protein you have to have and how much like probably couldn't eat 200 grams of steak, that would be too much for me, unless I didn't eat anything else at all. So I usually have a little bit of I probably have 14 grams of protein a day. So half in the morning and half in the evening and a cup of tea. And I do the cream with my coffee. I don't do milk.

Dr Mary Barson (22:24)  Lovely delicious cream with coffee. You can totally do that with a real food diet.

Barbara Pipkorn  (22:30)  So that was another thing in the beginning the cream in your drink. Felt like I was naughty. You know, so much to say that. Yes, you have to unlearn all of that. Eggs are bad for you, cream is naughty, cheese, lots of cheese. I mean, I can get away with the dairy products. But I've discovered cottage cheese isn't so awful anymore. And the cottage cheese that I would recommend is the baller high protein cottage cheese, that's yummy. I put berries on that and a bit of cinnamon. And it's quite sweet. And that's the other thing. Once you get going, you can smell sweet. And you can taste everything that is super sweet. So you might think you're going to need sugar, or alternatives forever. But if you cut it out, you actually start to taste food again. And everything tastes so more intense. The flavours and even carrots, carrots, pumpkin, beetroot, all of those are really, you can taste the sugar in them. They're sweet vegetables.

Dr Mary Barson (23:53)  The real food. That's right, yes, your tastes get retrained. And you've just discovered that joy of real food. I know what you mean.

Barbara Pipkorn  (24:02)  So that's I'm never going back to full-on carbs. I'm not saying I wouldn't need a really if I was in Paris and there was a delicious cake there. I'm not going to say that I would have because I would want to experience that in a special place. So I'm not going to say that it means that I can never have a cake again. But I'm not going to eat a junky cake, just because it's there. And I do drink alcohol. And of course, I went on holidays and I drink alcohol every day.

Dr Mary Barson (24:35)  You can totally drink alcohol on a real food diet. 

Barbara Pipkorn  (24:37)  Yeah, you probably wanted to talk about that about when I went away on holiday.

Dr Mary Barson (24:43)  I do. Yes. I love to drink alcohol every day and still achieve all my health and weight loss goals. That's excellent. And yes, beautiful human. I love to see you in the coaching calls and you're off on your cruise and you were just nailing it. So you tell us a little bit about how you stay on track while cruising the world.

Barbara Pipkorn  (25:03)  So we went to Japan first. And we were in Japan for a week, people will know there's a lot of noodles and ramen and rice and everything. So I was concerned, about how am I going to navigate this, but I had my protein powder with me my trusty protein powder. And sometimes I would have gone to breakfast and I would not eat because I didn't want to eat early. But um, when you travel Europe in the northern hemisphere, it's pretty rare that you can't get boiled eggs in a buffet-style breakfast situation, they just have boiled eggs, for whatever reason. So I would just grab a couple of boiled eggs, walk in a coffee cup, grab some salt and pepper, and a piece of butter and off, I would go. And then if I was out during the day, and I needed to eat, I had my trusty boiled eggs there as my backup. When we would go into restaurants my friends wanted to eat a lot of noodles, ramen and soba and I would just ask for mine with no noodles. So I would try and find the soup that had the most protein that looked like the most protein on it. And then in Japan, I would eat the soup, the broth. And some of those breasts were really rich like almost collagen like I kept my daughter told me that they're called, but they're really thick and creamy. Sort of anyway, I would eat those for dinner, I would try and go to Korean barbecue, or I just would try and make sure I had protein. I was it alcohol I drank gin and vodka with soda water and lime juice. And was really hot. And then so when we got onto the cruise ship, it became easy because you've got the buffet there and the main dining room that will adjust things if you want them, you just say I don't want any potato or I want some tree, lots of green vegetables. And on the whole, the amount of protein you got was good. I would go into the buffet and they would have things like the roast. So most ships will have a roast of the day sort of thing. So you can go to the carvery and just get meat and you can get your vegetables, there's always salad, sat most places, have a pasta bar that will cook fresh for you. So I would love up to the pasta bar. And I would grab some seven and a few veggies that were on the green list and hand them to the chef and say could you cook it for me place and I put the pastoring. So you can do it. You just got to trust that you don't actually need the pasta to be, that's just cabbage. It just fills up your plate and it's cheap. And so actually only thing it adds is a texture. It doesn't know that anything else. And you can train yourself to go without that texture. And so yes, the desserts are not amazing desserts. They're just sweet. And okay, just go without them. You don't have to have them. Because they're not really nice. They just mass-produced. And then I can tell you that Singapore was by far the hardest. Singapore was a challenge because there are a lot of sneaky carbs in food in Singapore and they have a really sweet tooth. I went to places like a French bakery and bought the baguette. And I just take the inside out of the baguette and leave the bread on the plate. And there was plenty of protein in that. I would eat on satay I didn't like the satay got a bit of sugar in it, but I didn't find that it caused any main issues for me. And then obviously anywhere through Asia, you can get roast pork roast, dark, cut off sliced off with lots of crackling and all that anyway. So I pork, Iate dark green vegetables, the satay sticks, chicken eggs, lots of they lots of eggs. And that's kind of how I navigated a cycle. And I did do some I mean, I do intermittent fasting. That's how I managed and I drink like anything with soda. I had two cocktails while I was away, just just a treat. They were very sweet. And I thought I didn't really need that. Say and yeah, I came back. I didn't lose weight while I was on holiday. I do come back, oh, hang on, I initially lost about one or two kilos. And then I stayed the same for the rest. And then I lost weight when I came home, but I was still in low-end ketosis, I've managed to maintain really low if I tested, but it can be done. Like, there are options, and I even ate the casseroles. And you've got no idea. Like, obviously, I can't control the oils, and I can't control the thickness. And what they put in the casseroles, I did eat them. But if they tasted sweet, really sweet, I just thought no, go and get something else. It's the joy about being on a cruise, you can actually get it, taste it title, go and get something else if it's not suitable if they put a lot of sugar in it. Easy.

Dr Mary Barson (30:54 ) So good. You had this fantastic transformation, and mind and body and you did it while you're traveling.

Barbara Pipkorn  (31:02)  Yeah, I didn't feel like I missed out on anything. And I'm not particularly that strong. It's only through this, that and through the change in hunger that's helped that because of what we do, and because I don't feel hungry, it's not constantly chattering away in my head to eat or find treats. And you know, I still eat a bit of dark chocolate, and I enjoyed that chocolate there where I hated dark chocolate before. If I have tried a piece of chocolate somewhere, bro, that's why like, you just change and if you say if you just trust the process, follow the guidelines and the lists, eventually, you change forever. And those habits and memories of before I think dissipate and quieten. And it's just like, it's enlightening, and you're free because food’s not controlling you anymore. And I think that's probably the ultimate Food shouldn't be controlling ours. Like, I think of food as nutrition now. And I remember being like that when I had 15 years ago. I was like prioritising my protein then because I knew I had to because that was the environment. So you just don't let food control our lives!

Dr Mary Barson (32:31)  Absolutely. We've got another 7 Day No Sugar Challenge coming up on November 25. So $7 to seven days, what would you say to people who are thinking about joining our 7 Day No Sugar Challenge, 

Barbara Pipkorn¬† (32:45) Dip your toe in the water and find out what's available and go for it. It is life-changing. It's not going to be a miracle seven weeks, but it's going to give you seven days, it's going to give you a taste of what there is, and the tools available to help you. But just do it and reach out and discover and open up the world of low carb and real food. Because I can't tell you how valuable it has been for me metabolically. And from a physical point of view, like the change it's made to how I look, how I feel, how I move and how much pain I have. If you ask me to carry 20 kilos now down the road, I'd be like, ‚Äď Oh, we're kidding. I can't carry 20 kilos, I can't carry my grandchildren. But that my grandchildren weigh less than what I've lost. And I can't carry them. So but I was every day on my joints. My back doesn't hurt anymore. I used to have back pain all the time. So there's a lot of what we call, you'll learn this off scale victories. And for me off scale victories are decreased skeletal pain, decreased finger pain, and my head is clearer. My skin's probably clearer. And I'm not driven by food. I'm not looking for my next meal. And don't be scared because Dr Mary and Dr Lucy are there to support you all the way and the wonderful Nikki's there in the background as well as all the other women and men who have been there before us. And they're very open to sharing their story and providing support. So if you think you won't find somebody the same as you in there, you're probably wrong because you know, my story is unique but so is your story. But you can change your pathway for the future for better health. And that's really what's driving the¬† Real Life Medicine group, I could share this professionally. If I had more years to work, I'd be able to get on the bandwagon. And I would love to change people's ideas and attitudes. But that's not my journey now, my journey is looking after me.

Dr Mary Barson (35:20)  Yes. Well, you've shared your story with the world today. And thank you so much. You're welcome. Honestly, thank you so much. I love it! You're an absolute star. And you've done so well. And you've been really, really generous today, sharing your story and your fabulous transformation. So thank you so much, Barbara.

Barbara Pipkorn  (35:41)   And thank you for the group and the energy that is Real Life Medicine. It's a fantastic organisation to be a part of, and I'm not sure how I will ever withdraw now. So but yeah.

Dr Mary Barson (35:59)  We'd love you to stay. 

Barbara Pipkorn  (36:00)  Yeah, we look forward to new people joining us along the way.

Dr Mary Barson (36:04)  Yes, we do. Absolutely. Thank you so much, Barb, for sharing your truly inspirational story and journey. You're an absolute legend and gorgeous listeners, our next 7 Day Sugar Free Reset is on November 25th. And you can sign up now it's just $7 for 7 days. So check it out and click the link in the show notes or you can go to rlmedicine.com/no sugar, one word. And this wonderful 7 day program includes a fabulous little mini-course delivered by Lucy and myself. It's got hypnosis, that wonderful powerful mindset tool. We've got live  Q&A's and masterclasses, meal plans, recipes, and everything you need to get started to turn your body into a fabulous fat-burning machine so that you can have better energy, boosted metabolism, lose weight without feeling hungry, and take that first fabulous step to your last weight loss journey. Check it out and I can't wait to chat with you next week. Bye, lovely ones.

Dr Lucy Burns  (37:20) So my lovely listeners, that ends this episode of Real Health and Weight Loss. I'm Dr Lucy Burns…

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