Episode 165:

Show Notes 

Paul Terlato, a 33-year-old husband and father, shares his experience of going from weighing around 163 kilograms to a weight of 109 kilograms over the course of a year through adopting a low carb lifestyle. Although Paul was relatively happy a year ago, he reflects on feeling sluggish, tired, and having brain fog, and was sure he had some underlying serious health condition that would explain why he always felt physically unwell. He recalls relying on excessive amounts of espresso to boost his energy each day and describes how he became motivated to change his health due to a desire to stop feeling unwell and improve his overall well being. 

Paul talks about experimenting with different approaches to weight loss in the past, including various diets and exercise routines, but not feeling satisfied with the results. He mentions his struggles with maintaining weight loss after events like his wedding and honeymoon and then explains how he finally found success with a low carb diet, focusing on real, unprocessed foods. He shares that he now feels more energised, has experienced a significant improvement in his overall health, and is able to do moderate exercise regularly, which he had been avoiding due to injuries.

Paul emphasises the importance of being ready for change and having the right mindset. He discusses his approach of listening to his body, experimenting with different dietary choices, and learning from various sources, including podcasts and personal experience. He addresses the challenges of navigating social situations while adhering to his new lifestyle and shares some tools he's developed along the way, like finding a supportive butcher and experimenting with fasting. He has become a source of inspiration for others and encourages people to do their own research and find what works best for them, highlighting the uniqueness of each individual's journey.

Episode 165: 


 Dr Mary Barson: (0:11) Hello, my lovely listeners. I'm Dr Mary Barson.

Dr Lucy Burns: (0:15) And I'm Dr Lucy Burns. Welcome to this episode of

Both: (0:20) Real Health and Weight Loss!

Dr Lucy Burns: (0:23) Gorgeous listeners, it's Dr Lucy here today, and I'm without Dr Mary. You know that Dr Mary had a little run of doing solo podcasting while I was travelling around in the van with my man. But I'm back and I have such a great guest for you today. I think you're going to find his story inspirational and motivational. Because I cannot tell you, I guess, just the trajectory his life is now heading on, having changed. Basically, what he was doing, what he was eating, what he was thinking, what he was feeling. And I'm super, super thrilled to welcome you to the podcast, Paul Terlato. Paul, welcome.

Paul Terlato (1:06)  Thank you, Lucy. Thanks for having me! Hello, everyone. This is a new thing for me, which is great! So um, yeah, as I've said in the past, if my story can inspire a few people to jump into the deep end and start looking out for their health, then yeah, I'd love to chat to absolutely anyone about it really.

Dr Lucy Burns (1:26)  Great! So I think there are two things that I love there. One that you said, this is the first time. So yes, you're learning, and we're always doing new experiences that are a little bit scary. And the second thing is that you're happy to chat with people about your health. So I love that too. So I guess if we just start the ball rolling with your story. If you could just share with our listeners what's happened for you?

Paul Terlato (1:50)  Yeah, so about it. It's really interesting one because my journey started at 160 kilos. So I was between 160 and 164-ish kilos if we're watching the weight. But if I'm being completely honest, I was happy. I was in a good place. You know, life was good. Work was good. Everything was fantastic. And I was over the moon. But it was this little form. Like I would always go through my days, and I'd crash at night. I was always tired. I was always, you know, doughy is what I call it. So like, I didn't feel like 100%, but I was still a happy guy the whole time. I guess I just wanted to change. I don't really have a pinpointed reason why I wanted the change, but I just want to stop feeling crappy. And I was resulting to ten coffees a day, like espressos a day, trying to just boost my energy all the time. Brain fog was right up there and I didn't know why. I was seeing my local GP and I'm just like, throw a book at me. What have I got, have I got something happening. And If I’ve got diabetes, I’ve got cancer, I've got this and throw the book at me and  give me an excuse to really want to do it. And he goes, “Paul, you're a healthy guy, you're overweight, that's going to contribute to your inflammation and all this kind of stuff. But you're a healthy guy. Like I don't really know what else to say to you.” And I was kind of just sitting there like, well, I feel like crap. So maybe it's time for a change. So that's where I was. 

Dr Lucy Burns (3:31)  So interesting, isn't it? It's so interesting because you're absolutely right. So you used the word doughy, I often use the word sluggish. Like you just feel a bit like a slug. It's like you just don't have pep in your step. Interesting. Do you know if your doctor had ordered an insulin level on you at all?

Paul Terlato (3:55)  I don't think we ever did an insulin level test. We did a lot of blood tests, just trying to see and look for some other things. I also have high blood pressure, so hypertension, and I had two back issues. So I have three prolapsed discs, and I had sacroiliac joint inflammation. So I guess they were really affecting my mental as well. So it would hold me back from wanting to lose weight. It would really hold me back from exercise. There was a lot of feedback regarding the exercise to lose weight, high-intensity exercise and all that kind of stuff. So I mean, the fear is always at the back of my head.

Dr Lucy Burns (4:35)  Which I think is understandable. Because you know, at the end of the day, we've all been told that to lose weight, it's diet and exercise or eat less, move more. Most of us think that you have to do truckloads of cardio and run galore because you're going to burn off calories. So it's understandable, therefore, that your brain was going well, “You know, in order to lose weight. I'm gonna have to stop running or do something really hard. And that's not going to work because my back's sore. And I better do it. So I'll just not do it.”

Paul Terlato (5:07)  That led me to really question every fall and how can I feel better? It wasn't really about losing weight at the start. It was like, how can I feel better and lose weight on that journey? And podcast after podcast and video. I mean, I’ve been a big boy for as long as I can remember. So we're looking at like,  back to a child, I was always overweight. I think at my early 19 and 20s, I did like light and easy. It works fantastic for me. I didn't feel good. Like, I still felt pretty average. And I lost about, at that time, I lost about 15 kilos. It would have been over about three or four months, no, probably a bit longer actually. Probably in a six-month period I did it for. And I didn't feel good. I lost weight. I get comments on how good I looked, but it didn't feel good. I felt quite average. And then the holiday came around, and it was like,  yep, we went on a boy's trip drinking, drinking and food. Then come back home. “I'm not doing that crap again. I'm just gonna eat and do what I want.” I was doing a lot more exercise back then. So that was before my injury. So I kind of balanced it out with that, but I wasn't really losing weight. And I was doing kickboxing three or four times a week. So I was like on a roller coaster. I went and saw a dietician probably five, six years ago. She put me straight on to Optifast. I lost probably five, six kilos. Still felt pretty crap. But then, as soon as I stopped Optifast, I put on 10 kilos. I was eating like a champion. So I thought I shrunk down my meal sizes. But yeah, I still had a lot of bread and pasta. I have an Italian background, so pasta and bread are life. After that, I teamed up with a nutritional therapist. And that was the most success I had doing weight loss. I did about 21 kilos and felt okay. I wouldn't say I felt great. I felt okay. I was still having a lot of soy milk, which was allowed. Almond milk was definitely promoted, it was a very keto-style diet, and it's how they promoted it. And it was great. I lost 20 kilos, and it was building up to my wedding. So I'm like, I need to do this and went on my honeymoon in America and indulgent, with nice big painters and burgers. The American trip that we all watch movies. That was what I was doing, and I put it all back on. I was sitting a year ago, last week, at 163 kilos. And I thought, now this is where the sluggish and all that came into effect. And I'm thinking, “Well, no. I needed to change something.” So I dived down a low carb lifestyle. I did no bread, no sugar. Yeah, just again, I'm still learning a lot of things. What works for me works for me. And I'm just cruising through it. I'm sitting at 54-kilo weight loss as of last week.

Dr Lucy Burns (8:42)  So I just want to clarify that the thing that  you've done to lose 54 kilos is low carb. Correct. No surgery, no pills, no injections.

Paul Terlato (8:54)  Just straight low carb. I was only doing exercise, which I started six months after low carb. I still do it today. I do it every every five days a week, every morning. I like going to the local pool. I do 20 minutes of walking up and down the pool with a little bit of stretching. And then 20 minutes on that's all it took for me. And yes, I plateau here and there. You know 53 kilos a year is a bloody great achievement. 

Dr Lucy Burns (9:25)  You mentioned in all the other weight loss attempts that you still didn't feel that great. How are you feeling now?

Paul Terlato (9:32)  I'm still on one coffee a day, and I still feel like I'm having about 15 of them a day. So I feel incredible, like energy is just like, through the roof. Everyone's noticing my personality even changed. I've got a massive pep in my step. I'm motivated to exercise. I had no interest in exercising again after my injury. So this is where I thought, “How am I going to lose this weight?” But yeah, I just proved that you don't really need to exercise like that. I'm feeling like my skin's dropped. I'm on a muscle-building program now that I've teamed up with the exercise physiologist, so I'm doing all the steps to try and firm up the skin. And then, if I'm being honest with everyone, because I'm not shy about it, when it comes to the time that the skin doesn't want to tighten up, I've got no problems investing and getting the skin chopped and tact. It is what it is. I don't have any plans on going backwards. So it's a different life-changing for me.

Dr Lucy Burns (10:36)  I love it. I love a couple of things that you said there. So the first thing was that you started off doing low carb and didn't worry about the exercise. And sometimes people have this idea they've got to do all the things all at once. Like, it's all got to be done. It's all got to be perfect. So we're going to be done straight away. Whereas you went, “Right, I'll address this lever first. I'll look at my food, look at my nutrition, reduce my carbohydrates focus on the protein, and do that first.” Good and I mean, scientifically, we know where you felt better, you would have had insulin resistance at a mitochondrial level. This is for any science, you people that love the science, you have insulin resistance at a mitochondrial level. So every single cell which produces energy for us is operating instead of on eight cylinders, it's operating on four. So you cannot feel energised by the way your body functions. And then you had to consume, like lots of us, 15 coffees to get the caffeine, to give us the energy to continue our life. Correct. So reducing your carbs reduces your insulin, allowing your mitochondria to function better. Giving you more energy, which then allows you to go to that next step and go, “Right, well, now I've got energy, I can exercise.”

Paul Terlato (12:00) Yeah, exactly! I guess the only other major thing added to that, which I left out, was a lot of podcasts I listen to a lot are of mixed things about the seed oils and all that kind of stuff. I just made the decision to say, “Bang, drop it out!” So I try and stick to nothing on a packet. Yeah, nothing from a packet unless I read the back of absolutely everything now. Which has become a good habit, but a bad habit, because we spend double the amount of time in the supermarket reading everything. So it's not horrible. It's a good problem to have.

Dr Lucy Burns (12:37)  Yeah. And I think when you you end up building up your armory of trusted brands that you just know, they don't have seed oils in them. And you can then, at least over time, build that sort of library of products that suit.

Paul Terlato (12:49)  Yeah, exactly.

Dr Lucy Burns (12:52)  So I love a couple of things you've done. Within that, you mentioned that you're listening to podcasts, and you're reading, and you're gathering information. So you're basically learning about what's going on. Yep. How important do you think that is in your journey?

Paul Terlato (13:08) Really important for me because even though a lot of things contradict each other in all those podcasts, like things that I don't eat, that in their podcasts they're saying, it's fine. That when there's proof, there's evidence base, and it's like, okay, so then I might go and dabble in that, as you said, as you've always told everyone on your podcast that likes an experiment, and I just go “Alright, cool. So I'm just going to chuck a handful of macadamia nuts in my mouth and say, " Let's see what's going on.”

Dr Lucy Burns (13:38)  And you know what I love, again I'm reflecting back on all the things that I love. But how could you not love a 54-kilo weight loss journey? So there are a couple of things that you mentioned. One, I love the fact that you're trusting your body and you're trusting your mind. Obviously, if your mind had been saying, “Look, you’re sick, Tim Tams to the only thing to fix it.” You'd probably know that that's a bit of BS. So what you have learned along the way is trust that you can trust what your mind and body are asking you to do. Whereas before, you know, we lose trust because we don't stop connecting with it. We don't listen to it. We're just using food because it's nice, because it's pizza night, because you ate, because it's six o'clock, even if you're not hungry. You know, we'd stopped listening to it, and you've tuned right back into yours.

Paul Terlato (14:37)  It's the start on Monday-excuse you know. It's just like, “Have this pizza tonight, and we'll just kick it back off tomorrow morning”, or “We'll kick it back off on Monday.” Now that I've gone through what I've gone through over the last year, that negotiation is completely gone. I'm actually having that negotiation with some of the exercise that I'm doing. And I'm like, “Ah, you know, I'll give it a crack next week.” But then this kind of experience kicks back in. And it's like, “No, if I give it a go next week, I'm reverting back to what I used to do anyway. So come on off the couch. Let's go. Let's do something.”

Dr Lucy Burns (15:14)  Yeah. So you're learning the stories in your head like you've you're learning to recognise them and be able to call them out when they’re BS. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so interesting, isn't it? One of the things that we often empower all of our people to do is this concept of writing your own playbook, your own rulebook, your own guidebook, whatever you want to call it. And what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another person. So you're right. You do have to experiment. And there are people out there for whom having macadamia nuts is unhelpful because once they start, they can't stop, and they turn to grams a day, and they're wondering why they're not losing weight, or why their blood tests aren't improving, or why they're still feeling like rubbish. But you're experimenting, and I love it.

Paul Terlato (16:07)  That's good. I'm very good. It's fun.

Dr Lucy Burns (16:09)  You know, I know that there are people who go, “Oh, well, maybe Paul's single dude with nobody else to think about except himself.” Is that the case?

Paul Terlato (16:20) No. So I'm married with a two-and-a-half-year-old and our six-week-old. When I first started doing the low carb lifestyle, my wife jumped on board. She's pretty slim, and she's always exercised and stuff. And in the first week, she dropped like six kilos. And she's like, “What is this?” You know, it's just your body's reacting good to not having processed crap. Like, we were having a fair bit of takeaway as well. Life got busy, and we are on a business, family business. So it's definitely keeping me on my toes. So you know, along with that, with family, just trying to stick to any kind of routine, it was a mission and a half, and, you know, the support is there, which is great. We still cook pasta for the little one, the rice, you know, whatever he can eat. We want him to have everything, experience everything, but then at the same time, we've got a pretty meat-based family at the moment. So heaps of chicken, heaps of fish, all the stuff. He doesn't eat veggies, which I think is normal for a two-year-old. But we're still eating all our veggies and all that kind of stuff. 

Dr Lucy Burns (17:32)  So, what do you think made the difference this time round? Like, you know, so you've been doing it for a year. It now just feels like part of you. What was the difference?

Paul Terlato (17:44)   I think I was ready. I think the thing was that all that time before we were going out, we were drinking, we were catching up with mates. It was a very social lifestyle. I guess what happened now was family. I'm not as social anymore, you could say then COVID help. COVID definitely helped with that. So it wasn't a social lifestyle. I started being more interested in myself and became a little bit selfish, as I call it. Like I was very interested in myself and I feel like I was just ready, like I think that's what it was. I reflect now, and I got this actual anything that really triggered it. I just felt like I was ready. If I really really deep dive running up the stairs, I get puffed going up the stairs, chasing a little one around like I just get no tired and want to chill on the couch and then make him chill on the couch. So if you take time in that mental state, you're punishing him for me being unfit. All those kinds of thought processes went through my head, but yeah, I guess I was just ready. As I've been saying to everyone, friends, and you know, it's just game on. We're just game on whatever it is. It's just my brain was just my body, my life. Everything was just ready to say,” Let's just do it!”

Dr Lucy Burns (18:56)  Yep. And I guess just to clarify for our listeners like you do go out now. You have got friends, and you have to get navigated social situations.

Paul Terlato (19:05)  I've got a life again. I'm definitely not tucked away at home anymore. I got plenty going on, which is good.

Dr Lucy Burns (19:10)  So I guess one of the things I love is the idea that at the start, it can feel a bit scary and a bit daunting, and you're worried about how you're going to navigate certain situations. And then it becomes second nature.

Paul Terlato (19:25)  Yes, I have some tools along the way that definitely helped me find a lot easier to follow a diet this time. Like I said, I think I was ready. So I went out of that comfort zone. so like my butcher. I really struggled at the start with protein intake and how much to eat.  And I found a local butcher, and 10 out of 10, he will cryovac all my meat in the weight that I want raw. So you know I said I go. “For the whole family.” I go, “I want 254g steaks individually packed, and he'll cryovac and he'll give me a little meal, little meal packets, but real food? And then I'm like, “Well, I just made that. That's, that's easy.” Now, whenever I want a steak or a piece of chicken or a filler, I pull out one pack and cook a 250g steak.

Dr Lucy Burns (20:22)  Protein.

Paul Terlato (20:25)  Exactly. So, I tried to mention at the start that I've pretty much always fast and my whole life. Not properly with what I'm learning now. But I've always done restricted eating, time eating. I always used to have my first meal at say, 10 o'clock. Then I would have lunch at one and dinner at, like, five or six. So it wasn't a proper fast. Since I started this, I kind of do my lunch at like one o'clock, and then my dinner at like five o'clock, six o'clock. And then, now that I'm learning about fasting, like today, I had one massive meal of a salad with whole avocado and two fillets of chicken. And then that's me for the day. I don't want to eat until sometime tomorrow. So now I'm experimenting with that fast, the more and more I learn about fasting, it's like you can go two days without eating. And I tried that. And I'm like, “This is going to be rough.” You know, All I can drink is water. And then end of day one, I had this energy, like I was ready to just rock and roll. And I'm like, “Oh, no, like, what's going on?” And then day two came, and I was absolutely fine. And my brain was actually probably firing better than it normally does. When I was at work, I was definitely on the ball.

Dr Lucy Burns (21:37)  Yeah. Do you know what again, I think what I love is that you've been doing this for a year before you then entered into sort of some longer fasts. And I think, for a lot of people, they call it “fast and furious.” They fast too early, and then they get furious. And it's actually not helpful to do it too soon. Like, the thing that you're describing is you've got a beautifully open woodshed, you've got access to your stored fat, so that you're burning those logs, producing your own ketones, which is giving you the energy. Which is why you feel like you're now firing not just on six cylinders, but you know, on 10 or 12, or whatever the most is. And I love the idea of that. And this is an interesting little clip that you told in your story that when you did, I think you said it was the most successful one, you'd lost the 20 kilos. And you kind of did it with your wedding in mind. And I find this often that when people have a goal, particularly an event in mind, they get there. And then they stop because the event is past. So where's your brain thinking now? About stopping? Is there a stop date?

Paul Terlato (23:01)  No, there was a goal of weight to 120 kilos. At that point, I blew past 120 kilos pretty quickly. I didn't really sit at 120 foot long, I kind of dropped to like, from 123, I saw 121 week and then like one eight. And I'm like, “Whoa, what's going on? Like, why am I still, you know, I've set a goal and what are we doing?” And it wasn't a goal where I would say, “I'm going to now go and binge eat burgers and pizza” and all that kind of stuff. It was just a goal to say, “Now I'm happy. I'm happier.” I shouldn't sound happy because I was always happy before, I'm just with more energy. And then I started seeing like, 113, 114 like it will be plateaued. It definitely plateaued at the end here. But yeah, I saw one said 113, 114.Oh my god, I'm still going. Okay, let's not stop. And it was kind of like, everyone says to me, so are you still losing weight now and like, “If my body loses weight, it'll lose weight.” I still weigh myself every week as a reference. I'm gonna say it like this. I don't care if the weight goes up. I feel and look great. And I know I'm doing the right thing with my food. So if that weight was two kilos, I really don't care. It is just what it is. But I'm not. I'm losing weight, still. Losing sometimes a kilo a week, and I thought my body was happy at 110. I'm sitting at 107 now, and it's just yeah!

Dr Lucy Burns (24:31)  You know what it is? It's because you're tweaking, adjusting, experimenting, and seeing how you feel as the first yardstick, so you feel better, and weight loss is coming along for the ride.

Paul Terlato (24:47) I went on a website where you put in your weight, your goal weight and all that kind of stuff. And at the time, I'm like, “Well, I really want to get to 150 kilos.” I thought that was realistic. So it said even to follow low carb and all that kind of stuff. It says to eat your body weight or your goal weight in grams. I'm still eating 140 to 150 kilos today, and I'm still losing weight. Like, it's not like I'm cutting my protein down. I mean, I could. I don't know why I just haven't done my recent blood tests to see where everything's at. But I haven't got the results yet. But I know that if I really had to, and I am overdoing it, I can drop my protein down because I'm eating to double my body weight, not double my body weight, but I'm in a much heavier person than I was to eating to 110 kilos if you know what I mean.

Dr Lucy Burns (25:41)  Yeah, so I think, we have the recommendation of eating a gram of protein per kilo of body weight, roughly, as a minimum most days. So there are some days if you do a two-day fast, obviously, you're not getting any protein in those days. And there are some days when you may not get the full whack of protein. But honestly, it's pretty hard to overeat protein. Because it makes you full. And the thermogenic effect of protein means that even if you were to eat more than perhaps your body needs, your body burns it off in heat. So it's like, yay! I mean, how great is that? The other thing that happens is when you overeat protein or overeat fat and protein, you're not hungry for ages. Whereas if you consumed the same calories, but they were in processed carbs, you'd actually be hungry again. So yeah, whilst it can be a little unpleasant at the time because your guts go, “Oooh!” It's actually not that harmful, as long as you're doing what you're doing, which is listening, listening to your body, and it will tell you next time, “I'm not ready to eat yet. I'm not ready to eat”. You could possibly eat an egg yet, “No, now I'm hungry.” Great! So Paul, just again, for our listeners, how old are you roughly? 33. Okay, so, future Paul's life has changed. Like, I know that you were a happy-go-lucky bloke. And probably at 33. You hadn't experienced too many health implications yet?

Paul Terlato (27:33)  Yes. It is the keyword, yeah. 

Dr Lucy Burns (27:37) 63-year-old Paul. He's now looking back. And what's he saying?

Paul Terlato (27:42)  Why didn't you do it earlier? That is exactly what he's saying. He's saying, “Why didn't you just find out?” And I guess back then, prior to this, the information wasn't right in front of you. I love the controversy behind it all because it's like, you listen to this person, listen to that person. Listen to this person, you're like, “Alright, cool! I'm going to try that. You know, why not? What am I going to lose? And it's like, “Oh, no! I feel that great with that.” And then you listen to the next person, “Don't eat things like the vegetables, I'm not eating, probably the ones most commonly known for weight gain. So when you're trying to lose weight, you shouldn't be eating them. But, you know, other people say, multiple things. You shouldn't eat this, and you should eat that. And I'm thinking, “But why?” And then you start questioning, and it's like, “Well, no, hang on, I'm gonna eat it. And I'm gonna see what it does to me. And then if it reacts with me badly, then I know. All right, cool. I shouldn't delete that. And then we move on to the next thing.” But, um, then back to what you said. 63-year-old Paul is definitely going to be saying, “Why didn't she start this thing earlier?”

Dr Lucy Burns (28:49)  But you know what, I'd love? I'd love 63-year-old Paul to say, “Thank God, you did it now!”

Paul Terlato (28:55)  Oh, 100%! He’d be saying that too. He’s definitely be saying that too. I feel that now people, everyone who knows me, everyone who I see, “What's your secret?” I've become like an unofficial health coach. I'm just like, “This is what I did. Definitely do your own research.” I don't say go and do this because it might not. I don't want to make anyone sick. I'm not a professional. I'm a cabinet maker.  I build kitchens for a living. I'm not a dietician or a health professional. But it's worked for me. And people can see that. You know, they go, “What’s your secret? And I'm like, “No, I'm not.” “Do you have the lap band surgery? Well, I nearly got there. But no, I didn't.” And they're like, “Are you on a tablet? Are you on this? Not just you could call it cold turkey. I just did it. I followed some simple rules and some simple guidelines and ate really good clean food. And here I am today, you know, 54 kilos lighter.

Dr Lucy Burns (29:56)  I know, like there’s a whole person. It's a whole person. 100 kilos. It is amazing!  I think future you is very, very happy. The current you made the decision to change your life, to go low carb to address, as we've mentioned, the mindset that is integral in that. The idea is that you have sought some guidance, but you're experimenting, and you're essentially writing your own playbook. And that's what we encourage everyone to do. We really want people to know that there's no one way to skin a cat, which is sorry for any non-Australians, It's a really Australian saying. It's actually a bit ugly when you think about it. But there is no perfect way. There is no only way anybody that any of these gurus say you must do it my way. I always think bullshit, you don't need to do it their way. It's about maybe trying a few things. And you know, and again, even within our cohort, obviously, we've just had a whole bunch of people go through the 12 Week Mind Body Rebalance, and we say to them, you need to work out what is right for you, your family. Here's a set of guidelines to kind of go by to tweak them.

Paul Terlato (31:16)  Yeah, exactly, and it worked.

Dr Lucy Burns (31:19)  And it’s continuing to work. And the thing that I love is, as I said, that your mindset has really always been about how do you feel. You felt sluggish, you felt doughy, you had no energy, you were using 15 coffees a day to get you through. And yeah, and while you knew, probably deep down that this was an ideal. It was really then that going, “Okay, I'm going to change what I'm doing. And I'm going to see how I feel.” And that was, first and foremost, you felt better.

Paul Terlato (31:51)  Exactly. Yeah. And that's pretty much the first thing that changed energy straightaway, probably the second week in energy straightaway. I guess, even though low carb is not keto. I was waiting for that keto flu that everyone was talking all about, that never came. I don't know, everything has changed for me pretty much week to week through giving this a crack. Yeah, that's fine. It's been awesome. Some obstacles, but it's been awesome. You know?

Dr Lucy Burns (32:19)  Yeah. And it's wonderful. And I love it. I love that you've become an evangelist. We all do that. It is once you feel so much better, you want all your loved ones to feel better, too. And hopefully, they will. And you know, watching your transformation has just been a joy. And I'm so proud of what you've done.

Paul Terlato (32:40)  Yeah. Thank you. It's been really good. Yeah. So it's definitely life-changing. It is really life-changing.

Dr Lucy Burns (32:47)  Exactly. Well, thank you so much, lovely listeners. If you are interested in the 12 Week, Mind, Body Rebalance, and perhaps having your own life-changing journey. The doors are opening very soon. You can head to our website. rlmedicine.com/12WMBR, and sign up, and we will see you there! Wonderful. All right, darlings, bye now.

Dr Lucy Burns: (33:20) So my lovely listeners, that ends this episode of Real Health and Weight Loss. I'm Dr Lucy Burns…

Dr Mary Barson: (33:39)  and I'm Dr Mary Barson. We’re from Real Life Medicine. To contact us, please visit rlmedicine.com

Dr Lucy Burns: (31:23)  And until next time…

Both: (33:41) Thanks for listening!

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