Episode 127 Summary 


In the world of nutrition, there is a common belief that food can be reduced to its individual nutrients - However, we believe this to be reductionist thinking that ignores the complex interactions that occur between different components of whole foods. Food is much more than just the sum of its nutrients. Let us explain more about this!

Processed Food and Regulation - Processed foods are designed to be overeaten, making it difficult to regulate our intake of them. This is due to the combination of salt, fat, and carbohydrates that trigger a dopamine release in the brain, creating a desire for more. Natural, unprocessed foods are much less likely to have this effect than food tha that been processed.  An example of this is roasted salted cashews vs raw unsalted cashews. It’s easy to overeat roasted salted cashews, but much less likely with raw unsalted cashews.

Labelling Foods as Good or Bad - We believe that labelling foods as good or bad can be unhelpful. Instead, it is more useful to think of foods as helpful or unhelpful. Eating a Mars bar, for example, isn't “bad” but it may be unhelpful if you wish to achieve your health and weight loss goals. It may trigger sugar cravings and cravings for more ultra-processed hyper-palatable foods.

The Power of Language - The language we use to talk about food can impact our behaviour. Phrases like "I can't have that" or "I'm not allowed to eat that" can trigger feelings of rebellion. No-one likes to be told what to do. Phrases like, "it's not helpful for me to eat that" can be more empowering. 


Firm but Fair - In some cases, it may be necessary to be firm but fair with ourselves when it comes to food choices. For example, in the hot Australian summer, it is important to wear sunscreen to avoid sunburn. Similarly, it may be necessary to avoid certain foods that are unhelpful for our health, even if we enjoy them.


Food Synergy - There is growing evidence behind the concept of food synergy, which emphasises that the interrelationships between all the constituents in our food are far more complex than we realise. Getting our nutrients in their naturally occurring form, wherever possible, is vastly preferable for our health. The synthetic isolated nutrients found in processed foods may not have the same positive effect on our bodies as whole foods. 


Bioavailability -  Bioavailability refers to how easily our bodies absorb nutrients from the foods we eat. Just because a product lists the amount of milligrams of a nutrient like iron, it doesn't mean our bodies will easily absorb it. Natural foods are more likely to contain cofactors that promote absorption compared to processed foods.

Additionally, many ultra-processed foods contain synthetic nutrients that may not be as beneficial as those found in natural foods. Our bodies require enzymes, synergistic cofactors, and organic mineral activators to properly absorb nutrients. These are naturally present in real foods but are often not included in processed and synthetic foods. Even if a product claims to be a great source of a particular nutrient, it may not actually be as effective as a natural source.


Fortified foods - Fortified foods are those processed foods to which extra nutrients have been added to enhance their nutritional value. Manufacturers often add nutrients like vitamin B12, folate, riboflavin, and minerals to processed foods like breakfast cereals to make them appear healthier. However, we believe that this reductionist thinking, which reduces food to its various macronutrients, protein, fat, and carbohydrates, and micronutrients like vitamins and minerals, can be unhelpful. Fortified foods may not provide the same benefits as whole foods.

The Health Halo: The processed food industry often uses marketing ploys to make their products appear healthier than they are. For example, phrases like "gluten-free" and "refined sugar-free" give products a health halo, even if they are still highly processed and devoid of nutrients. Children, in particular, may be susceptible to these marketing tactics and may not fully understand what these phrases mean. Therefore, it is important to read the ingredients list and nutritional information to make informed choices about what we eat. Be aware of any marketing claims that suggest ultra-processed foods are healthy. Synthetic fibre added as a flavour enhancer is often labelled as "fibre," and vitamin gummies that are really just sugar lollies with fortified vitamins are marketed as healthy for kids. These are misleading claims and can make it challenging for consumers to make informed choices about their diet.

The harm of ultra-processed foods - “Processed foods are trying to kill you.” The evidence is overwhelming when it comes to the harm of ultra-processed foods. No matter what type of diet you follow, whether it's plant-based, carnivorous or omnivorous, processed foods are not healthy. They may contain excessive amounts of sweet and savoury sugar, preservatives, emulsifiers and additives, and can contribute to weight gain, chronic disease, and inflammation.


Supplementation and real foods - At Real Life Medicine we are not opposed to supplementation but stress the importance of being selective about the supplements you use and why. Eating highly processed foods and adding in supplements is not an effective way to get the nutrients you need. Our bodies are designed to eat real foods, and that's what we need to prioritise for optimal health.

Ultra-processed foods to be aware of:

Any product that has to have a picture of real food on it to make you think it’s healthy - it’s not!

Vegan Meat - highly processed, full of a list of ingredients which are all highly processed

Margarine - chemical goop

Vegetable Oils - highly processed, bleached, refined, deodorised

Muesli Bars and Energy Bars - full of choc chips, sugar, devoid of nutrients

Mass Produced Bread and Buns - full of emulsifiers and preservatives to increase shelf life

Just Egg (Just NOT Egg) - misleading marketing, this is not egg!

Soft Drink - a big slog of sugar

Fruit Juice - controversially, just like soft drink this is a big slog of sugar, with commercial juices being devoid of the nutrients from the original fruit. For more information on why advise against drinking fruit juice please listen to Podcast 84 - is a Juice Detox Healthy? https://www.rlmedicine.com/84

Some Yoghurt - it is essential to read the labels, some are the same nutritionally as ice-cream with a few probiotics thrown in. Less ingredients = better.

Ultra-processed foods may look appealing and promise to provide necessary nutrients, but they fall short - Opting for REAL, whole foods is the best way to ensure proper nutrient absorption and overall health. Don't be misled by marketing claims and instead, prioritise real foods in your diet.

Scientific articles on the harms of ultra-processed foods:

Miclotte, Lisa and Van de Wiele, Tom. (2019). Food processing, gut microbiota and the globesity problem. Critical Reviews in Food Science and Nutrition. 60. 1-14. DOI: 10.1080/10408398.2019.1596878.


This scientific article by Miclotte and Van de Wiele explores the relationship between food processing, gut microbiota, and obesity. They discuss the harmful effects of ultra-processed foods (UPF) on health and argue that UPF consumption is a major contributor to the globesity problem. In addition, they highlight the importance of understanding the impact of food processing on the gut microbiota and overall health.


"Ultra-Processed Food Intake and Obesity: What Really Matters for Health—Processing or Nutrient Content?" by Kevin D. Hall, published in Current Obesity Reports in 2019.


Hall's article in Current Obesity Reports in 2019 examines the debate surrounding whether the harmful effects of UPF are due to their processing or their nutrient content. He argues that both factors likely play a role in the negative impact of UPF consumption on health.


I would like a free hypnosis to help me nurture my body please!

Show notes:

Episode 127 - Is food simply the sum of its nutrients?

Dr Mary Barson: (0:11) Hello, my lovely listeners. I'm Dr. Mary Barson.


Dr Lucy Burns: (0:15) And I'm Dr. Lucy Burns. Welcome to this episode of Real Health and Weight Loss. Gorgeous ones. It's Dr. Lucy here this morning and I am joined, as usual now on a Tuesday with the wonderful, spectacular, gorgeous Dr. Mary. Hello, beautiful woman. How are you this morning?


Dr Mary Barson: (0:36) I'm good. I'm sunburned.


Dr Lucy Burns: (0:39) Oh, no.


Dr Mary Barson: (0:40) Yeah, yeah, you know, we just continue to make mistakes, don't you even when you're in your 40s and you understand, you understand that your pasty white legs when they get exposed to sun for a long time, for the first time in months, will get burnt and yet you still forget to apply sunscreen. But I'm okay, I'm good. I'm good. I kind of wanted to hide my burnt legs from my nine year old daughter because we have such robust discussions over the application and importance of sunscreen every time she needs to put it on. But I decided instead I would show her the consequences of not properly applying sunscreen and, and use this mistake of mine as a learning opportunity. A slightly embarrassing learning opportunity.


Dr Lucy Burns: (1:24) I love that. I love it. That's just exactly practicing what we preach all the time about, you know, self reflection, learning, and you're doing it with compassion, the SLC.

Dr Mary Barson: (1:36) That's right. That's it. Totally, totally. Yes. So I'm unlikely to forget the sunscreen again in a while. 


Dr Lucy Burns: (1:43) Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It was a little experiment. I wonder what happens if I don't wear sunscreen? Oh, now I know.


Dr Mary Barson: (1:50) That's right. There's no failure. There's only negative results. Exactly.


Dr Lucy Burns: (1:53) Absolutely. You are actually walking the walk of the compassionate scientist.


Dr Mary Barson: (1:58) That's right, exactly.


Dr Lucy Burns: (1:59) I love it. I love it. And speaking of science, I thought today we would chat a bit about the science of real food. In particular, the concept that, and Caryn Zinn said this beautifully at Low Carb Down Under, that food is not just the sum of its nutrients. And I love this, and when I was a girl, there was a show called Milton the Monster. And it was sort of a Frankenstein type cartoon. And it was all about this scientist, this kind of mad scientist who was making a man, in fact, he was sort of I think potentially making a child and he was making, anyway, I was putting in two drops of blah, blah, blah, blah and this whole jingle and anyway, he put in a bit too much of something or other and anyway, out comes Milton the monster, this gigantic, ferocious looking manchild monster. And I thought really, sometimes our food is a bit Miltonesque.

Dr Mary Barson: (3:01) Mmm. Yes, this reductionist thinking about food and nutrients has become quite common in the world of nutrition, medicine, dietetics. All of it.


Dr Lucy Burns: (3:12) Yes, yes. And it's so interesting to me, because, you know, like, we talk a lot and you, you lovelies have heard me bang on a bit about my issue with regulating nuts and the ability to regulate processed food makes it very hard for us to then have a little bit. And of course, there's a school of thinking, which is that you should be able to have a little bit of everything that no foods are off limits and I can appreciate some parts of that, but I've also done that, I've tried that and it didn't work that well. Because even though I'd say to myself, ‘Eat it, we'll just have a little bit. Enjoy it. And you know, have some more tomorrow.’ The minute I'd finished I'd be rummaging around back in the packets because we all know the processed food is designed to be over eaten. And food in nature, as it comes naturally, is much less likely to do that. And I was thinking about this even more with my nuts thing, because I know in my head I'm going, ‘These nuts you know, it’s whole foods, real foods, why can’t I regulate it?’ And then I realised that the magical ingredient is the salt that has been added. So salted cashews don't exist in nature. roasted salted, cashews don't exist. And interestingly, I'm not nearly as drawn to just plain old unroasted unsalted cashews.


Dr Mary Barson: (4:38) It is interesting, isn't it? It is. It doesn't override your natural sort of satiety signals. You can't eat the unroasted unsalted cashews to a point that becomes quite unhelpful for you.


Dr Lucy Burns: (4:49) No, no and I think for me it is that the salt adds that combination of salt, fat and carbohydrates because I do not have it with almonds, even salted almonds, I just do not have it. It's not about the taste. It's about the zing, I get in my brain.


Dr Mary Barson: (5:09) Yep, that dopamine hit. I believe another layer to this is that it's not a good idea to label foods as good or bad or naughty or, you know, a sneaky little treat. Or to think of it in these terms, I don't think is useful. I think that thinking of foods or any kind of behaviour, including the eating of foods as just helpful and unhelpful. So if eating, you know, a salty, fatty, sweet Mars bar, really turns on your sugar cravings, makes you go hunting for yet more, yet more, it's really difficult to regulate, then it's probably unhelpful. It's not that it's forbidden. It's not that you can't do it. You're a grown up, you can do whatever you want. However, it just might not be helpful, and possibly just not eating the Mars bars is a much more useful way for you to operate. And if you do so, you actually open up space in your brain, you can break free from the food addiction and the sugar crashes and the consequences of potentially unhelpful behaviours, and that it's actually just a much nicer, freer way to live your life. So it's not forbidden, it’s just not helpful.


Dr Lucy Burns: (6:19) Yes, yes, absolutely. And it's so interesting that that little word can't, or allowed, makes such a difference to the way your brain perceives something. And you know, if your brain says, ‘I'm not allowed to have it’, or even more interesting, a phrase that I've heard before is, ‘Dr. Lucy and Dr. Mary, don't think I should have this’. There's a ‘should’ in there. It's so interesting, because all of a sudden, your brain is going, ‘Ah, well!” Again, everyone's brains are different. But as soon as someone tells me, bosses me around, then I often want to rebel. We all do. If someone says you should go to bed at eight o'clock, I think, ‘Oh, get stuffed, I’m not doing that.’


Dr Mary Barson: (7:04) Yeah, right. It's like my daughter and her sunscreen. Why should I?


Dr Lucy Burns: (7:09) Absolutely. And interestingly, just like your daughter and her sunscreen, you do sometimes have to be firm but fair.


Dr Mary Barson: (7:18) Mmm, you do. Yes.


Dr Lucy Burns: (7:19) We don't get to say to your daughter, ‘Look, if you feel like putting a little bit of sunscreen on you can. And you know, see how you go with that.’ That's not helpful. The helpful thing is, ‘You have to put this on because it's good for you.’


Dr Mary Barson: (7:34) You are a caucasian human, in an Australian summer, you want to go outside? This is what has to happen. This is the most helpful choice. And we have to make it. 


Dr Lucy Burns: (7:47)Yes. And I think we can easily look at our food in that same, you know, lens and not feel that we're being restricted. It's actually just choosing what is going to help me, not just in this moment, but long term. Because sadly, the processed food industry will tell you that their product is healthy. We all know that health halo. There's varying stickers and signs and payments made for various bits of advertising that go on the front of the box. And it's not helpful.


Dr Mary Barson: (8:22) Yet it's effective, though.  Oh, my poor daughter, I keep bringing her into it today. Obviously, I think she's absolutely one of the world's best humans. And she's a child. And it's interesting to see things through a child's eyes because we were in the supermarket yesterday. This is after I'd gotten sunburned, but before I'd realised I'd been sunburned and buying some food. And we went past the freezer aisle and she grabbed this bucket of rainbow ice cream. And she says, ‘Look, Mum, it's gluten free. It's gluten free.’ And she's trying to use this as an argument that therefore it must be healthy. And she may or may not really understand what gluten free means but it's there over this ice cream. And the manufacturers have put the gluten free across the ice cream to try and give it this health halo. Which, of course, the fact that it may or may not contain gluten is immaterial to the myriad ways in which a tub of processed rainbow ice cream is not a helpful choice.


Dr Lucy Burns: (9:17) Absolutely. And you know, refined sugar free is another phrase so the refined will be in the little writing and sugar free will be in big writing. And both my girls who are much older than your lovely one have come home thinking that they've bought a healthy product. They haven't come home thinking they're buying a Mars bar. They've come home thinking that they're buying something that is going to help their health, when in fact, when you look over the page at the ingredients and you take out all the fortified, so fortified is just a fancy word for added vitamins. Sounds good doesn't it, ‘fortified’. So the added vitamins that they've just chucked in. When you take out all of that it's actually, you know, almost identical to a Mars bar. You might as well just have one, and a vitamin pill.

Dr Mary Barson: (10:07) That's right. And that brings us back to this idea of taking nutrients as isolated entities and that if you take a processed food like breakfast cereal, and you add in your vitamin B 12, and you're, you know, folate and riboflavin, and all those things that it somehow becomes healthy. And I think that this is this reductionist thinking that is really common in our society, where we want to reduce food down to just its various macronutrients, its protein, its fat, its carbohydrates, and maybe its micronutrients, its vitamins, and minerals. But this thinking of food is just the sum of all of the little bits that manufacturers can put into it is really potentially unhelpful. There is growing evidence behind this concept of food synergy, that is that food, the interrelationships between all the constituents in our food is far more complex in ways that we can manufacture or that we can realise. And that actually getting your nutrients in their naturally occurring form wherever possible, is vastly preferable for our health. Like, you know, the synthetic isolated nutrients really don't always have the same positive effect on our body. The way that we make them biologically, technologically, it's not the same as real food.


Dr Lucy Burns: (11:34) Oh, absolutely and one of the easiest things to I guess conceptualise is this concept here, I'm using two words, of something called bioavailability, which is that you may see, you know, the amount of milligrammes listed on the side of the packet of a product, let's say it's iron or something. But that doesn't tell you whether your body absorbs it easily or not. And we know that when food comes in its natural form, it is much more likely to come with cofactors that promote absorption compared to processed food.


Dr Mary Barson: (12:14) That's right. And, and most of our nutrients require those enzymes or those synergistic cofactors. Or even we've got, you know, organic mineral activators that are in real foods that allow us to be able to properly absorb what we need from those foods. So all of these are present in natural foods, but are often not included in processed and synthetic foods. Even if they say a great source of iron on the packet, it doesn't actually mean that it is.


Dr Lucy Burns: (12:43) No no or my favourite, new, it's a new one, it's a great source of fibre, which is you know, synthetic fibre that's been added in later, which is often added in because it's a flavour enhancer. And by the way, it just happens to be a resistant starch, so we'll call it fibre.

Dr Mary Barson: (13:01) Yep.

Dr Lucy Burns: (13:02)  It's so interesting. And look, I think, no matter which, which stream of health promotion, you're in, which camp, whether you're plant based, whether you're carnivore, whether you're a loud and proud omnivore like Mary and I, the evidence that ultra processed foods are harmful, is overwhelming. So I always get, a tiny little bit of me dies, when I see people recommending ultra processed foods as being healthy, because it doesn't matter which way you want to dress it up, they're not! You might have a post that you know, or you might see somewhere and people and again, they do this, ‘Great source of vitamin C’ or something. I think vitamin gummies they're probably one of those examples that you go, ‘Hmmm’. So interesting, isn't it? And at the end of the day, people are wanting to do the right thing for their kids in particular, if they've got a kid that is fussy eater they might be worried they're not getting enough vitamin so you know suddenly in marches a product called vita gummies, which are just lollies, sugar lollies with fortified vitamins.


Dr Mary Barson: (14:13) Yes, yeah. And, you know, I like to believe that you and I are the voice of reason, at least most of the time. And we're not blanketly opposed to supplementation. But I think you should be selective about what supplements you use and why. And it is potentially very unhelpful and folly to think that you can get the nutrients you need by eating highly processed foods, but adding in a supplement. Unfortunately, that isn't, that just is not how our bodies work. We are designed to eat real foods and real foods is what our bodies need.


Dr Lucy Burns: (14:51) And I thought we may as we might finish with a little, perhaps just a bit of a discussion about some of the foods. I mean there's foods that I think everybody would know are ultra-processed, you know, soft drink as an example. But there's a few food groups out there, a few food products out there, which people may not realise they're actually highly processed. When you hear the word ultra-processed foods, you think, you know, chips maybe or crisps or something like that. But maybe we'll have, you know, taking turns and give our top five things of highly processed food. What would be on your number one highly processed food list?


Dr Mary Barson: (15:27) Oh, well. Basically, anything that has to have a picture of real food, on the packet or the tin to make you think that it's food, but okay, ultra processed food - ice cream. Rainbow ice cream.


Dr Lucy Burns: (15:41) Absolutely. All right, I'm going, I'm going a little controversial. I'm going vegan meat. Why is that even a phrase? But yes, apparently it is. It is highly processed. You look at the back of the packet and there is a list as long as your arm of the ingredients, the majority of which you will not recognise because they're chemicals. You'll recognise things like you know, if it's got some herbs in it, you'll recognise basil and you'll recognise thyme or something like that in it, but all the other stuff. Uh uh. Okay, what else for you?


Dr Mary Barson: (16:16) Margarine and vegetable oils. 


Dr Lucy Burns: (16:20) Mmmm. Absolutely. Didn't we all, I mean, I grew up thinking Flora which was our, or Meadow Lee. You know, ‘you ought to be congratulated’. So yeah, absolutely. Margarine is just toxic goop.


Dr Mary Barson: (16:34) ‘The plant sterols will reduce your cholesterol’,


Dr Lucy Burns: (16:36) Yeah. And, and yeah, ugh.


Dr Mary Barson: (16:40) That's a whole other podcast right there!


Dr Lucy Burns: (16:44) That is, alright, I'm going with muesli bars.


Dr Mary Barson: (16:48) And yeah, I’ll add to that, energy bars as well. muesli bars and energy bars.

Dr Lucy Burns: (16:54) Absolutely. And a lot of, a lot but not all, most protein bars. Again, highly processed. Powdered proteins and muesli bars kill me because for the majority, you go and you go, ‘muesli bar’ and it kind of sounds healthy, like ‘muesli’ sort of sounds healthy. And then they've got chocolate chips, they've got some sort of fake vegetable yoghurt dip on them. They've basically got all this stuff in them to make them palatable. And you know, and it's like, well, we don't care about that, because there’s ‘muesli’ in them. So no, they're all out too. Okay, what's next on your list?


Dr Mary Barson: (17:30) I'd go that, in particular, mass produced bread and buns. I think if you're buying some, you know, artisan stone ground, sourdough bread from your local baker, and you know, they baked it that morning with all good ingredients. I have to clarify that of course, it's high in carbohydrates and that may or may not be helpful towards your goals. But the flour itself is, you know, just minimally processed as much as it can be, that might be all right, but depending on your goals, if you're metabolically flexible. But certainly the breads that you get in supermarkets and lots of bakery chains are highly processed.


Dr Lucy Burns: (18:13) Yes, absolutely. Filled with emulsifiers and preservatives. That of course they do it for the shelf life because your artisan bread you have to eat that day or the next day it's hard like the olden days. And I'm old enough to remember the olden days and now bread seems to last in the cupboard for like 23 days.


Dr Mary Barson: (18:33) It's eerie. We've got some hot cross buns here at the moment that we got given from someone, I can't even remember to be honest. Oh, yes, a person who does get lots of leftover food from a local bakery chain. And I haven't eaten them and they're about eight days old and they're still very soft and fresh looking. Slightly frightening.


Dr Lucy Burns: (18:56) Yes. Absolutely fresh looking. I love that. Okay, I'm also going to add to my list of ultra processed foods, yoghurt. Now not all yoghurt. 


Dr Mary Barson: (19:07) Yes, yes.


Dr Lucy Burns: (19:08) Not all yoghurt. Not all yoghurts are created equally. But many yoghurts, and in particular, those ones that have this sort of, so there'll be yoghurt and then there's some sort of fruit sort of syrup at the bottom, or swirled through it. When you look again, at the ingredients, the amount of sugar in it is the equivalent of just having a you know, raspberry swirl ice cream, so much sugar in it,


Dr Mary Barson: (19:38) but it has the health halo because it's ‘yoghurt’. 


Dr Lucy Burns: (19:08) Yoghurt, yeah, and it's got a few lactobacillus in it, and that's sort of considered okay, but it's not. There are some really good quality yoghurts out there and you know, I'm not gonna list all the brands, but read your label. Read it, please, because it I mean, if I was a proper yoghurt maker, I would be really cross that these ultra processed foods can actually have the same label as my good quality, you know, minimally processed two ingredient yoghurts?


Dr Mary Barson: (20:07) Yes it is, and that though it'll be given the same health halo ranking in our minds. Speaking of health halos to the ultra processed food lists, I would add soft-drink. And in the same breath, I'm not even taking a deep breath. I'm going to add in fruit juice.


Dr Lucy Burns: (20:27) Yes, yes,


Dr Mary Barson: (20:28) Very processed, particularly the ones in the supermarket.


Dr Lucy Burns: (20:32) Yeah, we all know, well, if you haven't listened to the episode on fruit juices, we'll link it in the show notes. Because juice, juice, and people don't even use it, they're just called juice. It has such a health halo, juice cleanse, juices are good for you, blah, blah, blah. They're honestly not. They're just a big sugar hit. It'll be marketed as being natural, but there is no fruit juice machine in nature. The juice is extracted from the plant and for the majority of things it, all of the goodness is thrown away.


Dr Mary Barson: (21:08) Yes, and it really raises, the sugars in our bodies and our body has to deal with it. Yes, a very, very big sugar hit.


Dr Lucy Burns: (21:16) I've got a final one that I might finish on soft drinks and fridges, yes, I've chicken fridges. So there's a product around. And it's interesting. It's called Just Egg. Except there is no egg in it. So it's marketed as being just egg, the company's called Just Egg everywhere you look it’s all ‘Just Egg’. All of the pictures have omelettes and all sorts of things except that there's no egg.  It comes in a jar, or a bottle. And I actually think it should be just called ‘just not egg’. Now there are some people who you know, though particularly if you have egg allergy, clearly, clearly, if you have egg allergy, you're not going to be eating eggs. That would be, that would be nuts, a quick way to die eating egg. And if you're vegan, for whatever reason, you're not going to eat eggs. But there will be people out there who have no medical reason, or ethical reason not to eat eggs who look at this product and think, ‘Oh, good, someone's just cracked open some eggs, I don't have to deal with the shells now. I'm gonna buy it’. Because that's what the marketing is. And when you look at it, again, maybe nine or 10 ingredients into this, not just egg bullshit. So I think we've just got to be and I know with busy, busy lives, people, you know, haven't got time to read all the ingredients. But if I'm following up from Dr. Chaffees, podcast on his views on plants, and he makes this line ‘plants are trying to kill you’. I would say to you, if you enter the supermarket, go in with the idea that processed food is trying to kill you. And we actually have evidence for that. So keep it to a minimum my lovelies. It doesn't mean if you have some processed food you're going to cark it that day. Clearly. We're very robust humans. But the percentage of processed food that we now eat as a society, as a population across the globe is increasing, increasing, increasing, and it is making us sicker and sicker.


Dr Mary Barson: (23:26) And you really can take back control by choosing these really fun, delicious and helpful choices, which is simply real food. And we've got a free hypnosis for you beautiful people, a free guided hypnosis which can help strengthen your motivation to nourish your body with real food and to really experience the benefits of food synergy, and all the things we've been talking about today. It’s in the show notes, but you can get that hypnosis by going to www.rlmedicine.com/nurture


Dr Lucy Burns: (24:07) Absolutely. Nurture is the key. You can nurture your body. You can nourish your body with real food. You cannot do either of those with processed food. No matter how many stars, health stars, or health washing it has. It will not do the same thing. Alright, gorgeous ones. That's it from us this week. We'll see you next week lovelies. Bye bye. So my lovely listeners that ends this episode of Real Health and Weight Loss. I'm Dr. Lucy Burns.


Dr Mary Barson: (24:48) And I'm Dr. Mary Barson. We’re from Real Life Medicine. To contact us please visit www.rlmedicine.com


Dr Lucy Burns: (24:59) And until next time. Thanks for listening. The information shared on the Real Health and Weight Loss podcast, including show notes and links provides general information only. It is not a substitute, nor is it intended to provide individualised medical advice, diagnosis or treatment, nor can it be construed as such. Please consult your doctor for any medical concerns


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