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Episode 79 Summary

Not just the highlight reel

At Real Life Medicine, we strongly believe in not just giving you the highlight reel. Too often, weight loss stories are curated and shared as success stories but rather than inspiring us, they can just make us feel bad for not being able to achieve the same results.

Join Dr Lucy as she chats with Raelene Stratton, a real woman who, in her thirties, found herself staring down the barrel of a life of chronic disease.

Rae is a successful career woman and a mum to 2 young boys. She shares her journey with Real Life Medicine, the highs and the lows. She truly embodies our philosophy that permanent weight loss is more than a meal plan. It really is a journey of self-discovery. 

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Not just the highlight reel

  

Dr Mary Barson 

Hello, my lovely listeners. I'm Dr. Mary Barson.

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

And I'm Dr. Lucy burns. Welcome to this episode of real health and weight loss. Good morning, lovely listeners. It's Dr. Lucy here today. And I am without Dr. Mary. But I have a super, super special guest today and I'm very excited to welcome her to the podcast. Her name is Raylene. She's one of our members. And what I love is when real people share their real story, because in this fast paced life, we will see the highlight reel, and we will see the people that just are seemingly an overnight success. But what we love to highlight are just ordinary people, you know, with ordinary struggles, like all of us, and I guess sharing some of the tips in the way they've, you know, learning to overcome these and I use the word learning, because life is, as we know, always about learning. So this morning, I'd love to welcome you, Rae, welcome to the podcast.

 

Raelene Stratton 

Thank you, Dr. Lucy.

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

So right, what I'd love is for you to perhaps share your story, I know that lots of our listeners will resonate and relate enormously to it. But maybe if you could just start maybe not at the very start, because that would be when you're born and we haven't got all day, but start at a point that you feel would be appropriate for our listeners to hear.

 

Raelene Stratton 

All right, well, probably might start with my high school years, because that's probably when diet culture came into my life. So I was a chubby teenager, I guess meanwhile, you know, I'd kill to be that way. Now when you look back at photos, but um, so and I think you know, my my mum was a career dieter, which I've heard you talk about your mum as well. And that resonates. So Weight Watchers and points counting was pretty much always in the household. So that was through high school and then went to uni. Now uni was amazing, because guess what, you can buy your own food you can. You're in control. You're the boss of you at long last, but that wasn't great. There was a bakery between uni and my house. And that's probably when I gained my most weight during uni. So then I joined Weight Watchers myself like that was the first time I was a member of Weight Watchers did the points. And it actually worked. The first time I lost significant amount of weight. I looked fabulous. I was starving all the time. But did that matter? But then I guess ever since then, which was I don't know, almost 20 years ago now. I've never really had much success with weight loss, even though I've always been trying so pretty much done every meal plan you can think of every gym boot camp, I was big into boot camps very fit, played, like every sport under the sun, you know, especially before children came along. So yeah, I guess I just had a long history of dieting. About 10 years ago. Now I got to Thermomix and got into the whole foods very into Whole Foods, amazing pantry food items, and got into paleo at that point. And, you know, reflecting on that time, I did feel a lot better. You know, a lot of symptoms that I probably wasn't acknowledging I had went away, but I never lost weight. And look, that's because you can add a lot of honey and dates and stuff to everything. So paleo, and that's when my first son was born. So he grew up a paleo kid, which I used to get told I was cruel for but anyway, and, but and no packaging, so we were a zero package plastic household for a long time, as well. But yes, still never much success, always just grabbing, either losing some and then gaining it plus more or just weight creep. Then through work. I was put on to Dr. Jason Fung and obesity code and fasting. I read that book and I just thought well that makes more sense to me than anything that's ever made sense before. And I was able to adapt my lifestyle to fasting then it actually worked really well for me at the time. I live in rural Victoria, but I work in Melbourne CBD. So I used to, it's funny, it was hip back then we're talking about 2015 And I used to work two days. from home, and three days in the city, and I essentially had a double life I live with housemates and I had my husband and child in regional, Victoria. But it was great because when I went to the city for a couple days, I might just go out to dinner one night and have a steak and I wouldn't eat the rest time. I didn't have to take food or lunch. And it just took a lot of hassle out of my life. So fasting really worked. And at that point, I lost about 15 kilos. I was triggered to do fasting by a semi routine checkup with my GP and wasn't my normal GP it was a, like a student GP, and you know how the GP comes in at the end of tick off.

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

And he was a registrar, we call them yeah, they're doing their training program. Yep.

 

Raelene Stratton 

He was amazing. So I went in there about two things. So contraception, and also, I've got a skin tag under my eye, which doesn't bother me, it looks a bit Hollywood, if you ask me, but really bothers my Nan. And he went in. So the first thing was skin tags are a sign of insulin resistance. And I was like, never heard of that. Never heard of that is the cause of skin tags. I've got many others on my body and not just my eye. And then in regards to the contraception, my blood pressure was too high. And anyway, he did it like a full assessment. And he got my fasting glucose done, which came back that was pre diabetes. He did the 24 hour blood pressure monitoring, which did confirm that my blood pressure was high, even when I wasn't in the doctor's surgery. And he did the sleep test and said, Look, you probably have sleep apnea, you should go and get your, you know, they hook you up to things and test your sleep, I was hooked up to things for all different things. And so that that was a shock to me, like that was, you know, still in my early 30s, I've got this long list of health concerns that you expect from someone in their 70s or 80s.

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

And you're young mum, young mum healthy, happy,

 

Raelene Stratton 

always very happy. Like, I've never let my wife define me. But you know, and you, you know, my brain was telling me the story of it doesn't matter how you look, you're amazing. Which is true. I love the whole, you know, body positive culture. But at the end of the day, it's inside was health counts. And I was I wasn't healthy. So that's when I thought okay, I've heard about this fasting thing. I've read the book, I'm gonna do it, which was great. And I could do it because as I mentioned, you know, it really suits my lifestyle at the time, and I lost about 15 kilos. And the GP couldn't believe it. He's like, What have you done? How you've done it, you know? Anyway, never sorted out that contraception. And you know, we're soon pregnant.

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

Oh, gosh, no, in fact, we have. We've got a post coming up soon that one of the side effects of, of a low carbohydrate diet is pregnancy. Yeah, and fasting in there, too.

 

Raelene Stratton 

Yeah, add fasting in there. So they didn't even bother doing my blood glucose test once I got it, because this is only suddenly 12 weeks later or something. It was like the three month checkup I'd gone back for. And they just said test glucose, you know, your gestational diabetes, then I had to put up with having gestational diabetes and going into the diabetes educator, which is that could be a topic on itself in terms of how many carbs they were telling me to eat and I was like, God, I blow my numbers every day if I ate 120 grams of carbs, you know. And then yeah, that beautiful little boy was born and since then, so he was born in 2018. I sort of just fluttered around I really wanted to get back into fasting. I knew that worked but I just couldn't. So then I you know through fasting fasting and low carb go hand in hand. So then I started like keto and dirty keto, which never agreed with me. But through a Keto group keto the Aussie way I think it is Lucy you came on and I was doing their meal plan challenge, which they have great recipes, but you came in and did a you know, Facebook Live or something. Yeah. And explained about what your program was and everything like I should also say, because I did get tested and have sleep apnea. I got the CPAP machine and I was also going to the salt. You know the salt rooms? Oh, yep. Yep. See if that would help. And I remember watching your live in the salt room. Appropriate, they say don't have devices because it was all zen. So yeah, I joined your 12 week program in February 2021. So became part of the The real life medicine community then. So I did the 12 weeks, I was really into the science like those first, you know, four weeks around the science and didn't pay much attention to the mind stuff. I thought, Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. But it didn't, you know, it was like it was external to me. I didn't have to worry about that. And the sleep, people, that's her other people, the stress management on us be the stresses. All right, so we finished the 12 week, I went off my merry way. And then I'm like, No, I think I need some support. So that's when I joined the momentum, inner circle in July. And July was amazing. The challenge was daily affirmations, which I've never really looked into before or anything, but it just totally appealed to me. We'd get daily text messages and I, you know, write it down and recite it and stuff. So it was a beautiful re introduction and to get me focusing on my mind. Then the August challenge then was no red less food, no alcohol, no sweetener. And, you know, you and Dr. Mary did like a weekly checklist. And it was on the fridge and I took it off. And I was a gun. I'm so good at it. I was like, yep, nailed it. I lost six kilos alone. In that month. I was like, This is it. I finally clicked my body's finally you know, can burn fat. And I did great for the rest of the year, September, October, November, December did great. Even got through Christmas, thanks to the Santa's little helper challenge. That was brilliant. So by November, late November, early December, I went back to the doctor's and I lost 18 kilos, you know, throughout the year, I guess starting from the 12 week program. I had my first ever normal blood pressure reading I'd never not been high and then threatened me going on pills. We did blood tests. And my Is it A1C? Yep, was down to five and it always been like 8.6 or something. And my sleep apnea had pretty much gone. I'd stopped snoring I'd stop using my CPAP I wasn't feeling tired. I didn't have all those symptoms I was on top of the world got through Christmas and New Year's I'm like, this is food freedom. I've done it. I'm never gonna have to worry again. But I guess that's why I'm here today. Dr. Lucy is, well, January came around and I conquered still had much more weight to lose. And there's still some blood markers and stuff we're working on. I still got fatty liver and a few little things. But she pointed out eczema all over my legs and back completely cleared up really early on, like in the first few weeks of the 12 week program. So yeah, I feeling the best I've ever have really, you know that mental clarity, the energy and I had a lot of time off in January, which was great. I took the kids to swimming. And bought the kids like chips, like salt & vinegar chips or plain chips, and I thought, Oh, I'll have a packet of that, you know, just brought back all these nostalgic sort of memories, the salt and vinegar with the chlorine. I don't know what it is, it doesn't sound very good when you say it out loud. But um, ever since then I've been really, every day, you know, we're talking about putting fluffy to sleep putting the dog in the basket, opening the woodshed of it, I've been working on it. And at no point though, have I really let it get me down like I would have you know, you know, one bender years ago would take me months or months to get back every moment of every day. I'm you know, coming back coming back. But um, one of the most recent challenge was our critical mind and working on our critical mind. You know, I'd been a real life medicine, family member for over 12 months I had heard you and Dr. Lucy bang on about this critical mind. And I thought well, I don't I don't have one. As you say I've got an inner squad saying go Rae, you can do it. You're great. So that challenge had sort of like a formula to journaling. And I've got a real love of journaling. I'm not consistent but that doesn't matter. But I did I did the journaling. So if I ate something, or even was tempted to have something that was on the red list of foods, have a journal about it. And what I did learn from journaling and using the formula of what was the event and You know, how did it make you feel? I do have it an inner critic of sorts. And initially, it wasn't that it had a dialogue. You know, a lot of people talk about the inner critic, which is, you know, nasty little beast at times. And they have quite extensive dialogues. But I was like, Okay, there's something there. But it's not a dialogue. It's a thought, or it's a craving sort of more. But as the month went on, I continued to journal. I was like, no, there is a bit of the dialogue there. And I've got my notebook here. My inner critic tells me what turns out to be, you know, not uncommon things, but eat it. You deserve it. You know?

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

Yeah so your critic isn't the enabler.

 

Raelene Stratton 

Yes.

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

The saboteur,

 

Raelene Stratton 

and then a little bit won't hurt. There's nothing else to eat, which is just absolute law. There's options galore, there's always eggs in my fridge. And just the other one that came up, was just eat it, and then it's gone.

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

Yeah, And, you know, I mean, you heard us these are the reasonable stories, the stories that our brain offers us that they're not overtly a lie, because that would be silly. Like, we're not just going to come up with something ridiculous. But our brain comes up with a little story that Yeah, could be true. Except that it's usually not. And so the stories everyone has, I guess, a different theme. Yours is very similar to mine, which is the enabler, the saboteur, the one that says, Oh, come on. It's like the, you know, like, you've got the friend that tries to always get you to do the wrong thing. Come on, it won't matter. We'll have fun. And you go, yeah. All right. And you kind of get in with it. So yeah, the voice will say, you know, just have a little bit, you'll be alright. You go. Yeah, I really. Except that, I don't know, I've proven to myself, maybe 500,000 times that a little bit is never a little bit. And then it actually doesn't make me feel any better at all, having a little bit doesn't do anything. But that's not what your brain tells you. It says just have a little bit that'll make you feel better, and then put it away, you know, whatever it is. So you and I had a chat about a particular slice that you were making your voice, and your brain was convincing you to have some what I'd love for you to share is how we sort of negotiated around that and the plan that we came up with, which seems to have worked. So yeah, I'd love you to share that with them.

 

Raelene Stratton 

Yeah. Okay. So I guess one of the things I've learned through the programs is how bad seed oils are, which, you know, I hadn't really heard that before, you know, as all I knew grains and sugar but not seed oils. And I'm also as I've mentioned, I've not been to package food when you know when it can be avoided as it is essentially in everything so I started making the school lunches, like a rice bubble slice school, I find a bit tricky, because they're no nuts. So I thought, yeah, I'll get the puffed rice had some honey in there some seeds in there. I started making that for the and some coconut oil. I'm like, yep. But then my brain started saying, Well, Rae, you can eat it. It's got no seed oil.

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

Nevermind the honey and the rice puffs.

 

Raelene Stratton 

So my brain was obviously telling me that and then we had a coaching call. I said, this is going on. I can't stop eating this slice, and I don't want to buy packaged food. And you said to me, well, let's just rename it sort of naming and shaming. So it's now called calorie slice. Because it's it's just full of calories. And then you actually put, I don't know if you remember you put a diagram in our Facebook group around like how many teaspoons of sugar in, you know, carbs, and I was just blown away by two things. Potato and rice. I was like rice, because, you know, sometimes I was saying well, I could have a little bit of potato.

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

Yeah. And I think it's so interesting again, just I don't think anybody will tell you that sugar is healthy, but people will tell you that rice and or potatoes are and for people with insulin resistance they act the same way as sugar does so I just call it so it's savory sugar. But because you kind of got our rice here I can't be that bad. But it acts in the same way as sugar does and that's that becomes the problem. So yeah, so I love that and I guess what we we were doing in that call As you know, a lot of our stuff is all about your thought about a product or a thing or a food item, or whatever the factual event is. So your thoughts about this slice were that it's, you know, it's got good stuff, it's wholesome, doesn't have any seed oils have made it from scratch, it can't harm me, therefore, I'm going to eat it. But when we reframed the your thoughts about it, that it's actually really energy dense. It's pretty high carb, and energy. It's so funny, the marketing mischief around energy bars and energy drinks. Calories are just energy. They're a unit of energy found in food. So yeah, just renaming it calorie slice your brand goes I don't want to eat that. Why would I be eating that?

 

Raelene Stratton 

 Yeah, exactly.

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

And so suddenly, the thing that was your, you know, your, your downfall, the thing that was causing you so much angst suddenly became something that actually wasn't that hard to stop eating,

 

Raelene Stratton 

No, and I remember in that same chat, you said to me, you know, how there's energy drinks on the market, you know, my nice sports people, or whoever has them. And you go, I don't know what they just don't call it calorie drink. Every time I say an energy drink, just cracks me up. Do you drink in a calorie drink? 

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

Yeah, absolutely. And you know why they don't call it that, because no one would buy it. No one wants to buy, you know, a glass of calories. But that's essentially what they are. So there's a couple of things that I would love for our listeners to know about you Ray first thing was that when I asked you to be on the podcast, you were worried that you weren't successful enough. And that, you know, that therefore, you perhaps shouldn't be on because you know, you haven't quite nailed everything yet. But I actually think that's exactly why I want to do on the podcast, because people often think if they haven't nailed it in the first 12 weeks, then they're a failure. And I look at you and think you are anything but a failure. And think that, you know, you're like so many of the women in momentum, you know, high achiever, working hard, successful career mothering, running a household doing all the things. But yet, you know, if we haven't nailed everything within our lifestyle, you know, our brain likes to focus on the bit that hasn't quite got right yet. But when I listen to your the way, you're talking like you think about over this last 12 months, you know, you're now becoming so aware, I guess, of your thought your mind. And all the processes that go with that. And you know, our favorite saying, I know you've you've heard us said it's that weight loss is more than a meal plan. A meal plan will help you lose weight, no doubt about it, but not forever. Because you don't understand, you know, we don't understand why we just eat things, I think probably past you, who may have had the chips that the pool would have just thought I don't know whay I ate them, I just did. And now you go, yeah, I know why? Because they evoked memories. They brought back things, they, you know, it was all of that, that, you know, made your brain decide that these would be a good idea.

 

Raelene Stratton 

Definitely. I think that's obviously I've done a lot of meal plans, a lot of programs. And I think that's what this program offers that I've haven't found any anywhere else is the mind stuff. And I am I am enjoying, even though it's annoying, why can't I just eat perfect? And, you know,

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

Get on with it. Yes.

 

Raelene Stratton 

But it's amazing. And I think one of the things that's really striking to me is what's actually the say I have a professional coach, you know, who helps me with my work with my ways to think about my work, but ways to think about people we work with, and when you're constantly reframing things, and I'm like, Oh, this is actually the same. It's actually the same. But why can I be so amazing at that, and then I've already got this skill set, I just need to apply it to the way I eat and that so and even the other alignment is I have horses in horse training. A lot of the courses and stuff I've been doing for that. It's all the same stuff. Mindful, reframing, and that's why I always thing easy. I love that that one so often. So yeah, it's just all the same stuff. So it's not just like, sort of personal growth. It's not just a weight loss endeavor, you know?

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

Yeah. Absolutely. And it's interesting. I was on a business podcast the other day and that that is exactly what we talked about that running a business is much like reclaiming your health. You know, there are these journeys that you have high as low days you have days where you think you're not getting anywhere, there are days where you think everyone else is better than you, you know, all of those sorts of things are exactly the same as what happens when we're on a quest to reclaim our health and feel better. It's never going to be perfect every single day. It's not it can't be and that's normal. Like it. And that's, I think there's so many myths that happen around what a real health and weight loss journey looks like. It's interesting, because you mentioned, you know, I can do it in my business, I feel I cannot do it in my personal life or two things. One, you are doing it? Yes. Okay, so you are actually doing it. It's harder, perhaps. But it's also because some of the stories are older, you know, you weren't a business person, when you were six, you were still you're being exposed when you were six, to stories around food, advertising, you know, processed stuff. And one of the interesting things is, and in its heart, there is no perfect way. I mean, we know that in families where food is restricted, and you know, rigid, then people do a bit like you did when they leave home, they go, Wow. And they can just, you know, they go hell for leather, and they've got no inner control, because it was always externally controlled for them. So it is hard it would be, it would be so nice if we had this perfect formula just to follow and we all just follow and, and go yep, this is going to work for everybody. But it doesn't, you've got to find your own path in this. And I think that is the thing is finding your own path. And that only comes from knowing yourself well. And for a lot of us, we actually don't know ourselves that well. The things that I love that you've pointed out or that you've, you've mentioned. One is, I love I mean, I love as you said, I love body positivity I am I think that shaming people about their weight is sometimes it comes from people thinking if they shame them, that will motivate you to do the right thing. But it doesn't just make you feel like shit. So we don't want to do that. And you are able to, I guess move past all of that. But like everything, you also need to balance that with what's going on biochemically and hormonally with your health. Because as you said, you are in your 30s with, you know, staring down the barrel of long term chronic health conditions, which would be fine in back in the old days when everybody died at 50. But we're all living till 90 now. And we just don't want, you know, 50 years of poor health. So there's some of the things that you've highlighted for our listeners today that two things are Well, lots of things, but you had beautiful self body image, which is wonderful. To you. You know, I think sometimes people think that people who are overweight, just don't try hard enough. And you've demonstrated that you were trying every you know, people are trying this myth that people just want to, you know that they just like being overweight, I don't know that anyone really likes it. I think that nobody likes, you know, being told by their doctor, that they've got pre diabetes, sleep apnea and high blood pressure. So to then say to people oh well, you know, it's their own fault, because, you know, they're just, they just don't try hard enough is just rubbish. Such such such rubbish. I know, every single person that I come in contact with, has tried, has tried is trying. And I think what's happening is that sometimes they're just not being offered tools that help them. So what I love is that you've developed new tools, you're getting new tools like journaling, that's a new tool, a new tool that is helping you and letting go of tools that we used to use that actually harm us. So tools that where we use food for soothing or we use food for, you know, boredom, or use food for pleasure, all the things that we used food for that are not actually helping us. And that's what you're demonstrating. Rae. So I love that.

 

Raelene Stratton 

Thank you. Thank you for your support and and the new tools. There definitely is a toolbox full. And I think there's a roadmap in there, but I've got to learn to know what tools for what situation which is, I guess what I'm working on? Yeah,

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

Absolutely. And you know, Pantene I've coined this in many a podcast doesn't happen overnight, but it will happen. We Use the three P's, I can actually remember now, so three or four P's. But there's patients and persistence in there. Definitely in the P's. And for a lot of people there, they get so overwhelmed by this idea that they're failing that they stop. And the people that stop, go back to their old life, and then think it didn't work for them. And it's not that it didn't work. It's just that you stopped. And I know why we stop, it sometimes gets too hard. It sometimes feels like we're failing that everyone else is doing it, then we can't. They're all again, just stories in our head that keep us stuck. And I guess on the final note, Rae, you've actually done the 12 week program a number of times now,

 

Raelene Stratton 

Yes, I have I have, I'm doing it for the third time, at the moment, the current intake, and yeah, it's been great to just be able to redo it. So the first time I did it, which was my, the really the first introduction to the real life medicine approach, I really focused on the front end the science side of it, but when I joined momentum inner circle, and we were doing our monthly challenges on top of that, you get access to the 12 week again, and the second time around, which would have been the October 21. intake, I've really focused on the mindset stuff, like I was really, I've sort of ready to hear it at that point, you know, I was really in quite denial the first time around that my mindset was like, Yeah, that makes sense that that would impact things, but it's not applicable to me. But the second time around, I really, really got into it and really enjoyed it. And this third time around, I think what I'm mostly getting in is the Zoom coaching calls and the, you know, the different discussions and approaches that come up with that, which, you know, is 90% mindset stuff as well. So yes, every time I've done it, I've learned something new and had a different lens to filter over it. So yeah,

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

Wonderful. It's wonderful. I think, right, you know, you are changing your life, your future life, you know, you're still a young woman here, have a young family. And the tools and things that you're learning in this will set you up for for life. And often in when I see my patients in real life, I give them a little, we've got this handout, it sort of like a Y it's the cross the point of the road. And on one side of the road is you know, all the things that happen from high insulin, all the chronic diseases that you will get if you don't change, and then on the other side is, you know, is low carb nirvana. But the idea that, you know, you will, you'll end up down that path, and that, again, you know, just to re emphasize to our lovely listeners, that one bad day doesn't get you off the path. But a few bad years will. So it is really just this ongoing patience and persistence. And recognizing that stopping won't help. Just have to keep going and doing it with I guess, you know, support and you've got an inner cheer squad, but you've almost certainly got an outer cheer squad as well.

 

Raelene Stratton 

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, shout out to my accountability groups, I am in two the chicken wings and the pork chops. So I know they'll be listening.

 

Dr Lucy Burns 

Wonderful, wonderful. Good. And so my lovely listeners, I guess this, you know, Ray is definitely a real life story. You know, it would be so easy for us to just bring on the highlight reels to people that you know, yeah, you know, they've lost and billions of wait and see you later. But it is important to know that it's not an overnight fix. There are no shortcuts, there are no loopholes. I know, we would all love that it would make life so easy, but there aren't. And we just have to continue on the journey. Stopping is not a solution. And continuing can feel hard at times. But that's also pretty normal. And that the tools that you learn along the way during the hard times, the stories that are in your head, the things that your brain is telling you. That's actually where the gold is. That's where you learn the most about yourself. You don't learn that much when you're just cruising because your brain just goes yeah, and boom off you go. But the hard times are when you learn. And I think right that's exactly what you're discovering. 100% Wonderful. Thank you so much for being on the podcast. And lovely listeners. We will catch you next time. Have a wonderful, wonderful day and week ahead. Bye for now.

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